[meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY

[Maurizio Eltri]

Hi Mark,

I am thinking that perhaps there are 
interpretative rules that may vary from country 
to country. At least here in Italy and a little 
more generally in Europe, a certificate is an 
important document and as such its value can only 
be given if it is drawn up by a person or body 
legally responsible for doing so. If everyone 
could draw up any certificate on their own, it 
certainly would no longer have the same value.
In the specific case you write "In this case the 
seller is" certifying "the" authenticity "of the 
meteorite he is selling." In this case the 
document cannot define a certificate but rather a 
self-certification or rather a self-declaration, 
which are very different things.



At 17:34 26/07/2022, you wrote:
>I guess I am just not understanding how the word 
>"certificate' is misrepresenting anything.  I 
>am not sure where the text you copied came from 
>or how it relates, but the word certificate is 
>appropriate when a specific entity is formally 
>stating something.  In this case, the seller is 
>"certifying" the "authenticity" of the meteorite 
>they are selling.  It is correct usage.   The 
>cards I use don't actually say "certificate of 
>authenticity" on them  but when customers ask 
>about a "COA" I know what they are talking about 
>and don't see anything wrong with the 
>term.  They clearly know that it is the seller, 
>and not some other entity, making the claim that 
>the item is authentic, so there is no problem of 
>confusion of what it means.  Regarding the 
>issue of a "lack of seriousness" of the seller, 
>times change.  It could be that at one point 
>people might have found the term weird, but for 
>new collectors a COA is just an assumed part of 
>a purchase.  If they asked for one and you said 
>"I don't provide those, but I have a label" that 
>would indicate to them a lack of 
>seriousness.  The difference is that the term 
>"label" doesn't imply that the seller is 
>vouching for the authenticity of something -- 
>and although it is true the owner would be 
>responsible for mistakes whether he vouched for 
>it or not, there is really no downside to 
>vouching for it, and it gives the buyer some 
>piece of mind to have a document providing 
>provenance in which the seller stated that the 
>item was genuine.  But if you don't like the 
>term certificate of authenticity, don't use it 
>on your cards -- I don't -- but don't imply that 
>there is anything incorrect or dishonest or 
>unserious about the term just because it doesn't appeal to you personally.Â
>
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>On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 12:09 AM Maurizio Eltri 
>via Meteorite-list 
><<mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> 
>wrote:
>
>Dear friends,
>
>I believe that even a "marketing tool" cannot
>misrepresent the meaning of the words, this can
>lead to suspect the lack of seriousness of the seller.
>
>..............................................................
>Significato della parola “CERTIFICATO” :
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>   In sintetici si può dire che il certificato è
>un attestato di conformità (rilasciato rispetto
>ad una specifica precisata, non esiste la
>certificazione generica) emesso da un soggetto,
>terzo e, autorizzato (qualificato, accreditato,
>indipendente) a farlo (per legge , per norme ISO
>e relativi accordi di riconoscimento, ecc.)
>Â  Â 
><https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificato>https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificato
>
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>Meaning of the word "CERTIFICATE":
>Â  Â  In summary, it can be said that the
>certificate is a certificate of conformity
>(issued with respect to a specified
>specification, there is no generic certification)
>issued by a subject, third party and authorized
>(qualified, accredited, independent) to do so (by
>law, for ISO standards and related recognition agreements, etc.)
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