[meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY

[Mark Lyon]

That makes sense.  Maybe it is an American thing.  I am used to the word
certificate being used much more loosely.  There are certificates of
ownership, certificates of completion,, certificates of awards, and
certificates of many other things.  It is just a word used to mean that the
document (the certificate) is formally stating that some specific entity is
acknowledging something as being the case. With a COA, I see it as just
stating that the entity (the seller) is formally acknowledging the
authenticity of the item.  But anyway I think people are probably tired of
the discussion by now.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 12:52 AM Maurizio Eltri via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> I am thinking that perhaps there are
> interpretative rules that may vary from country
> to country. At least here in Italy and a little
> more generally in Europe, a certificate is an
> important document and as such its value can only
> be given if it is drawn up by a person or body
> legally responsible for doing so. If everyone
> could draw up any certificate on their own, it
> certainly would no longer have the same value.
> In the specific case you write "In this case the
> seller is" certifying "the" authenticity "of the
> meteorite he is selling." In this case the
> document cannot define a certificate but rather a
> self-certification or rather a self-declaration,
> which are very different things.
>
>
>
> At 17:34 26/07/2022, you wrote:
> >I guess I am just not understanding how the word
> >"certificate' is misrepresenting anything.  I
> >am not sure where the text you copied came from
> >or how it relates, but the word certificate is
> >appropriate when a specific entity is formallyÂ
> >stating something.  In this case, the seller is
> >"certifying" the "authenticity" of the meteorite
> >they are selling.  It is correct usage.   The
> >cards I use don't actually say "certificate of
> >authenticity" on them  but when customers ask
> >about a "COA" I know what they are talking about
> >and don't see anything wrong with the
> >term.  They clearly know that it is the seller,
> >and not some other entity, making the claim that
> >the item is authentic, so there is no problem of
> >confusion of what it means.  Regarding the
> >issue of a "lack of seriousness" of the seller,
> >times change.  It could be that at one point
> >people might have found the term weird, but for
> >new collectors a COA is just an assumed part of
> >a purchase.  If they asked for one and you said
> >"I don't provide those, but I have a label" that
> >would indicate to them a lack of
> >seriousness.  The difference is that the term
> >"label" doesn't imply that the seller is
> >vouching for the authenticity of something --
> >and although it is true the owner would be
> >responsible for mistakes whether he vouched for
> >it or not, there is really no downside to
> >vouching for it, and it gives the buyer some
> >piece of mind to have a document providing
> >provenance in which the seller stated that the
> >item was genuine.  But if you don't like the
> >term certificate of authenticity, don't use it
> >on your cards -- I don't -- but don't imply that
> >there is anything incorrect or dishonest or
> >unserious about the term just because it doesn't appeal to you
> personally.Â
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 12:09 AM Maurizio Eltri
> >via Meteorite-list
> ><<mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >Dear friends,
> >
> >I believe that even a "marketing tool" cannot
> >misrepresent the meaning of the words, this can
> >lead to suspect the lack of seriousness of the seller.
> >
> >..............................................................
> >Significato della parola “CERTIFICATO† :
> >
> >   In sintetici si può dire che il certificato è
> >un attestato di conformità (rilasciato rispetto
> >ad una specifica precisata, non esiste la
> >certificazione generica) emesso da un soggetto,
> >terzo e, autorizzato (qualificato, accreditato,
> >indipendente) a farlo (per legge , per norme ISO
> >e relativi accordi di riconoscimento, ecc.)
> >Â  Â
> ><https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificato>
> https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificato
> >
> >
> >Meaning of the word "CERTIFICATE":
> >Â  Â  In summary, it can be said that the
> >certificate is a certificate of conformity
> >(issued with respect to a specified
> >specification, there is no generic certification)
> >issued by a subject, third party and authorized
> >(qualified, accredited, independent) to do so (by
> >law, for ISO standards and related recognition agreements, etc.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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