[meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II
MexicoDoug
MexicoDoug at aim.com
Sat Nov 25 21:56:04 EST 2006
Sterling wrote:
"1739-1740 War of Jenkins' Ear"
"And [the USA's] certainly never managed to have a war as magnificently
named as "The War of Jenkins' Ear"! Now, that's how to name a war! Clear,
concise, and everybody knows exactly what it's all about."
Hey Sterling,
Hah! remember studies in Western Civ - between Physics and philosophy class
:-) -, really, the USA has darn well so managed to have a war equally
magnificient in name as the "War of Jenkin's Ear".
It was called "The War of Jenkin's Ear"; Same Jenkins - and it wasn't
Jenkin's other ear. Don't forget that Jenkin's ear was supposedly severed
in the Americas, and he was as English as George Washington at the time. So
I'd Argue that not only did the Americans participate in that war - they
also started it. Not to mention the USA started the funiest named war of
all: The "Quasi-War" as thanks to the French right after the French
supported the American Independence effort.
That particular Jenkin's Ear war in the 1740's is actually the same war that
was contracted by the European continent and spread to Bohemia and resulted
in the French tossing the Elbogen Iron meteorite down the to the bottom of
the Bohemian well where it rusted for 40 years. It was a small world back
then, too. In the USA, in the great American State of Georgia, the military
general who founded Georgia wasted no time to marshal his proud Savannah
compatriots and adventurous Charlestonians out of South Carolina to pillage
everything from Jacksonville, Florida to St. Augustine, and that was only
openers.
Oh the United States has had oogles more practically nameless wars than you
give it credit for in those years. They don't Google easily out of a
database like your nice European ones, but they were bloodier if Indians are
men considered equal in the eyes of the Creator. You've got to consider
that in Europe all those wars were spread among 20-30 countries. How many
Indian real nations do you think the singular USA trounced in a religious
ferver to achieve its destiny? The USA is a nation that was perpetually at
war on its own and its extended frontiers. There are more Indian wars
alone, than Indian nations that yielded in defeat against the cleansing of
the continent from Atlantic to Pacific. Take Florida, which heaped war upon
wars, genocide and forced relocation. Or maybe Missouri - if the Indians
had caught on quicker, you might be living in a teepee today, or at least
your neighbor :-)
As for the lack of colorful names of wars in the USA even without
considering who started the War of Jenkin's Ear, does Europe have a "Battle
of Little Bighorn", which is a battle the war easily can assume for the
name, and really was the fight leading to the demise of a race of people?
If that isn't enough, how about the Gipper's "Star Wars", who has one of
those programs besides George Lucas? And I am convinced that the US
participated as a silent partner in the infamous "Football War," as well...
Best wishes, Doug
(no slights to any nation, no offense; we are who we are and I can live with
that just fine, until someone else tosses a spectacular iron in a well to
fester. Guess the Evian was too depleted in minerals for their taste)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>; "'MexicoDoug'"
<MexicoDoug at aim.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II
> Martin Altmann said:
>
>> There were always wars, wars, wars...
>> funny enough, people now ranting about
>> the European Union always forget...
>
> 1337-1453 Hundred Years' War
> 1455-1485 Wars of the Roses
> 1496-1499 Russo-Swedish War of 1496-1499
> 1522-1559 Habsburg-Valois Wars
> 1554-1557 Russo-Swedish War of 1554-1557
> 1558-1583 Livonian War
> 1568-1648 Eighty Years' War
> 1590-1595 Russo-Swedish War of 1590-1595
> 1594-1603 Nine Years' War (Ireland)
> 1610-1617 Ingrian War
> 1618-1648 Thirty Years' War
> 1641-1649 Wars of Castro
> 1641-1653 Irish Confederate Wars
> 1642-1651 English Civil War
> 1644-1650 Scottish Civil War
> 1656-1658 Russo-Swedish War of 1656-1658
> 1667-1668 War of Devolution
> 1667-1683 Great Turkish War
> 1688-1691 Williamite War in Ireland
> 1700-1721 Great Northern War
> 1701-1713 War of the Spanish Succession
> 1733-1738 War of the Polish Succession
> 1739-1740 War of Jenkins' Ear
> 1740-1748 War of the Austrian Succession
> 1741-1743 Russo-Swedish War of 1741-1743
> 1756-1763 Seven Years' War
> 1788-1790 Russo-Swedish War of 1788-1790
> 1789-1799 French Revolution
> 1798 Irish Rebellion of 1798
> 1792-1815 Napoleonic Wars
> 1808-1809 Finnish War
> 1848-1866 Italian Independence wars
> 1848-1849 First Italian Independence War
> 1859 Second Italian Independence War
> 1866 Third Italian Independence War
> 1854-1856 Crimean War
> 1866-1866 Austro-Prussian War
> 1870-1871 Franco-Prussian War
> 1877-1878 Russo-Turkish War
> 1893-1896 Cod War of 1893
> 1897 First Greco-Turkish War
> 1912-1913 Balkan Wars
> 1914-1918 World War I
> 1916 Easter Rising
> 1917-1920 Estonian Liberation War
> 1918-1919 Czechoslovakia-Hungary War
> 1918 Finnish Civil War
> 1918-1920 Russian Civil War
> 1919-1921 Irish War of Independence
> 1922-1923 Irish Civil War
> 1936-1939 Spanish Civil War
> 1939-1940 Winter War
> 1939-1945 World War II
> 1958 First Cod War
> 1972-1973 Second Cod War
> 1974 Turkish Invasion of Cyprus
> 1975-1976 Third Cod War
> 1994-1996 First Chechen War
> 1991 War in Slovenia
> 1991-1995 Croatian War of Independence
> 1992-1995 War in Bosnia and Herzegovina
> 1996-1999 Kosovo War
> 1999-present Second Chechen War
> 2001 Conflict in Macedonia
> 2001 Conflict in Southern Serbia
>
> Only 63 wars in 500 years, or one every 7.94
> years. Eleven wars in 33 years (1912-1945) is
> probably a world record. Doesn't count wars
> that Europeans participated in that didn't take
> place IN Europe (otherwise the list would be
> 120, 150, or 200 wars long).
>
> I feel totally abashed. The USA has only had
> 14 or 15 wars in 225 years, if you count our
> War for Independency, John Adams' undeclared
> naval war on France in 1798, two "wars" with
> Barbary pirates, the Whiskey Rebellion (whiskey
> lost, BTW), and all the wars we participated in
> that were outside the United States. We've never
> managed to have a war 100 years long or even
> 30 years long (although we seem to be trying to
> do that in Iraq). And we've certainly never managed
> to have a war as magnificently named as "The
> War of Jenkins' Ear"! Now, that's how to name
> a war! Clear, concise, and everybody knows
> exactly what it's all about.
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> To: "'MexicoDoug'" <MexicoDoug at aim.com>;
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II
>
>
> Hi Doug,
>
> so flagrant is my commercialism not.
> Yes, I do have a slice of Elbogen left for sale, but I guess, if you'd ask
> Dieter Heinlein, you would pay 10$ less per gram.
>
> For the spelling of uncle Alois I always find two variants:
>
> "Widmanstätten"
> (with a single "n" and the German letter for the diphthong, the "a" with
> the
> 2 dots above) or
>
> "Beck-Widmannstetter".
> Which one was more in use? I don't know. We have to ask the list-members
> from Austria to look in the specific biographical lexika.
>
> There still exists several descendants today, they spell themselves
> "Beckh-Widmannstetter".
>
> Ehm, Doug, the story with the font is different.
> It's the most famous and incredible meteorite legend in history.
>
> Be prepared!
>
> There was a prophecy about the Burggraf-Klumpen.
> It said, whenever it will be let down into the font of Loket castle,
> it will come up again.
>
> Well, so once it was let down in the font, and after a while, they tore
> him
> out gain.
>
> Spooky, isn't it Doug?
>
> I forgot where I read that story and also why the chunk was hidden at
> which
> opportunity.
> Whether it was in the Napoleonic wars, or whether Wallenstein wanted to
> found bullets out of it, whether some Hussites were hiding it...
>
> There were always wars, wars, wars...funny enough, people now ranting
> about
> the European Union always forget, in what for a privileged situation
> they're
> living. 60 years without greater wars.
>
> Buckleboo!
> Martin
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
> MexicoDoug
> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2006 22:32
> An: Martin Altmann
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II
>
> OK, Martin, Nice post, I'm convinced that, if I can ever possess a
> specimen
> of Elbogen, I won't have any choice than to acquire it from one of
> Chladni's
>
> authentic airs.:-)
>
> You mentioned our Widmannstaetten: Alois Beck Edler von Widmannstetter....
>
> I was very curious about the spelling you used, an alternate from that
> which
>
> we are accustomed...Can you tell us Teutonically challenged volks a little
> about the reason for this difference?
>
> Ahhh, and those kind and ever-so-considerate Frenchmen. Why do you
> suppose
> they would have mocked so cruelly their Bohemian hosts by spitefully
> lifting
>
> up the unliftable Elbogen iron meteorite and tossing it into a well to
> languish there for decades? Was it simply with the arrogance to say,
> "Non,
> nous'sommes non so greedyyyy, looooouky, devons-nous procéder à toss your
> rrrevered Cloompain to zz bottom of z pit where he can hhhrrust
> avay....oui
> oui , ou la laaaa, Kaput et Voilà La Boheme!! " No wonder the Austrians
> taught those savage beastly French a lesson in humility and kicked them
> out
> on their derrières shortly afterward... for which the French rewarded them
> later by overrunning Munich. Well being the Francophile I am, and still
> astonished this could happen, I must say in their defense that the French
> Secret Order of the Guardians of Ensisheim has brought back great honor
> and
> civility upon their countrymen after that fateful moment of the aggression
> of Elbogen...
>
> Best wishes,
> Doug
>
> PS nice post Matthias, too!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> To: "'MexicoDoug'" <MexicoDoug at aim.com>;
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 2:42 PM
> Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II
>
>
> Hola Doug,
>
> yah and the Grimm brothers weren't only collectors of tales, but titans of
> linguistics in writing the first modern comprehensive German dictionary.
>
> Btw. Widmannstetter used Elbogen for his direct printing of his famous
> Thopmson structures.
>
> Goethe celebrated his 75th birthday on the castle of Elbogen (Loket), I'm
> not sure, whether he saw the Klumpen still there.
> Anyway, when ha was young and visited the stone of Ensisheim in the
> church,
> he made pubertal fooling about the people being so superstitious.
>
> Again, if once Vassiliev won't be so busy anymore, he has to found a
> meteorite fair on Loket castle. Nice counterpart to Ensisheim.
>
> Huh, I think I'm a capital sinner, I don't think, that I would be able to
> lift a Klumpen of more than 2 hundredweights...
>
> At least in the stories (there exist another version of the Burggraf
> metamorphosis) there are some slight meteoritical appeals: Thunder,
> Sounds,
> light, a pit...
>
> Buckleboo!
> Martin
>
> PS: There must be another story from that Klumpen, that it was hidden in
> the
> font of the castle - perhaps during the Napoleonic wars?
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: MexicoDoug [mailto:MexicoDoug at aim.com]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2006 20:08
> An: Martin Altmann
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> Thanks for the Buckleboo! It had become such a familiar part of the list,
> like an attention-getting favorite family member I started to miss it....
>
> Now, whoever said German couldn't be a consonant language, hasn't read
> enough of "Klumpen klingenden Metall" and such. Those Grimm boys really
> provided a capsule of time, the scientists they were, so far ahead in
> educating toddling future meteoriticists. Thanks for the tale of the
> Bohemian iron Elbogen, the year assumed ca. 1400 witnessed fall that was
> recorded more as conversion of a greedy baron than a meteoritical tale.
> One
>
> wonders what Widmaenstatten was really out to discover when he stuck a
> slab
> of Elbogen in a Bunsen Burner to see what would happen. It must have been
> quite a BuckleBOO! for Widmaenstatten to see the steely Baron's jailbars
> and
>
> bones developing in the flame of that bewitching Klumpen of Metall. This
> relationship of meteorites to avariciousness and piousness illustrated
> here
> and in the Grimms' tale is pleasantly enlightening.
>
> One can see the original view of the of the Burggraf that Widmanstaetten
> saw
>
> courtesy of Jörn Koblitz here:
> http://www.metbase.de/printable/images/schreibers3_650.jpg
>
> And Chladni himself had an etched knife forged from Elbogen which is now
> at
> the Berlin Museum for any or all the motivated to see!
> http://euromin.w3sites.net/Nouveau_site/musees/berlin/Website-dt/Elbogen.htm
> l
>
> And another book to possibly add to the list:
>
> KNAGSTED by Gustev Wied
> Finally, here's another book you don't have to buy and can read online,
> Knagsted, by the Danish novelist Gustav Wied. That is, if you can at
> least
> read Rigsdansk... It was a satire published in 1902 and is based in part
> on
> the Elbogen legends...
> Excerpt: **"Samt (hvad der er forbavsende interessant): "Der verwünschte
> Burggraf" (en ond og haard Borgherre, der "in grauer Vorzeit" paa
> Foranledning af sin Umenneskelighed og en fattig Kones indtrængende Bøn
> til
> Gud blev forvandlet til) "ein ursprünglich 108 kg schwerer Meteorstein von
> der Gestalt eines Pferdekopfes. Gegenwürtig aber ist nur der kleinere etwa
> 22 kg schwere Theil desselben zu sehen, während sich der grÖssere im k. k.
> Hof-Naturaliencabinet in Wien befindet" ...**
>
> complete Danish text (Lars, please help!):
> http://www.bjornetjenesten.dk/teksterdk/knagsted.htm
>
> Marty, You've really earned your Austral-Germaniac heiritage today...
> Congratulations !!!
>
> Notice of my special request is kindly appreciated,
> Buckleboo too,
> Dougy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> To: "'MexicoDoug'" <MexicoDoug at aim.com>;
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 4:43 AM
> Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Meteorite novels -gifts II
>
>
> Hi Doug,
>
> apropos Grimm bros.
> Did you know, that they mentioned a very famous meteorite in their
> collection of German folk tales (1816-1818)?
>
> "Auch zeigt man auf dem Rathause zu Elbogen noch jetzt die verbannten
> ruchlosen und goldgeizigen Burggrafen in einem Klumpen klingenden Metall.
> Der Sage nach soll niemand, der mit einer Todsünde befleckt ist, diesen
> Klumpen in die Höhe heben können."
>
> Uuuh my poor English, a Matteo version could read like this:
>
> "Also, in the townhall of Elbogen still today the banned heinous and
> gold-greedy burgraves are exhibited in a lump of clinking metal.
> Acording to legend nobody, who's imbrued by a capital sin, will be able to
> lift this lump."
>
> To translate the tale of the metamorphosis of the Burgrave into the
> meteorite, I leave to others (Peter, Bernd?):
>
> Der verwunschene Markgraf von Elbogen
>
> In grauer Vorzeit herrschte über Elbogen ein gar harter Mann, der
> Markgraf von Vohburg, der seine Untertanen und Diener, besonders die
> Bewohner der Robitsch - einer Elbogener Gegend - mit schwerem Frondienst
> bedrückte. Konnte einer den Willen des strengen Herren nicht nachkommen,
> wurde er sicherlich in den Turm geworfen und jämmerlich gezüchtigt. Über
> dem
> Haupttor der Burg ließ er eine Glocke befestigen, welche zur harten Arbeit
> rief. Zu Anfang ertönte sie wohl selten, später aber immer häufiger; denn
> der Markgraf wurde immer grausamer und habsüchtiger, das Mitleid schien
> gänzlich von ihm gewichen zu sein.
> Eines Sonntagmorgens stand er über dem Tor und beobachtete die in
> das nahe Gotteshaus wandelnden Scharen. Und es traf sich, dass eine arme
> Witwe ihm an diesem Tag eine Zahlung zu leisten hatte, sie hatte aber
> nichts, dass sie diese hätte entrichten können. Vielleicht, dachte sie,
> stimmt die heilige Sonntagsfeier den strengen Gebieter etwas zum Mitleid,
> und ging mit ihren unmündigen Kindern an der Hand, zu ihm hin und bat
> flehend um Nachsicht und Barmherzigkeit. "Habet Erbarmen mit mir! Der
> Ernährer der Familie ist gestorben und die Arbeit meiner Hände reicht eben
> nur kümmerlich hin, mich und diese Waisen zu erhalten!"
> Das Angesicht des Markgrafen verfinsterte sich bei der Rede wie der
> Himmel, der sich eben mit schweren Gewitterwolken umzog. Die arme Witwe
> bat
> nochmals und auch die Kleinen erhoben zu ihm ihre Hände. Doch das Herz des
> Herren blieb unbewegt und ließ sich durch den Jammer dieser Armen nicht
> erweichen. Zornesglut erfüllte sein Antlitz und seine Stimme donnerte auf
> sie herab: "Hinweg aus meinen Augen! Zahle was Du schuldig bist, sonnst
> lasse ich Dich in den Turm werfen!" Da raffte sich das Weib empor und
> rief,
> während das Donnern durch das Tal dröhnte, dem Fühllosen zu: "Weh` Dir,
> Vohburg! In dieser Stunde noch wirst Du in Stein verwandelt werden".
> Ein Schrei scholl durch die Lüfte - der Markgraf war verschwunden
> und dort, vor er stand, lag ein Klumpen - der verwunschene Markgraf von
> Elbogen.
>
> from
> Stanilav Burachovic: Sagen der Karlsbader Landschaft
>
>
> Martin, on your special request: Buckleboo!
>
>
>
>
> -------
> STAR MONEY by the Bros. Altmann (jeje)
> A short fable summarized by our very favorite Germans, based on the
> original
>
> which was probably much older than the 1803 L'Aigle fall itself. Gives
> great insight to cultural fantasies of the significance of meteorites in
> the
>
> deep recesses of human thought. Interestingly, in an odd twist, it
> personifies what we all yearn in meteorite hunting in one form or
> another...READ THE ENGLISH translation free here, no need to buy the book,
> compiled by the namsake of Chladni's heirs: Story featured in Nation
> Geographic:
>
> http://www.nationalgeographic.com/grimm/star_money2.html
>
> Best wishes, Doug
>
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