[meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info

[d freeman]

Great post Doug,
Geeze, learning from others....interesting concept!
Dave F.
(who is not proud tom, and is not a blogger participant ever) and would 
like to see Mr. Tom get some help somewhere before he turns into a 
paranoid schizophrenic!

MexicoDoug at aol.com wrote:

>Hola Tom,
>
>No one said you are stupid (except your own post)!   You are ruffling some 
>feathers because your comments seem to be too  insensitive.  "Scientists" - 
>which can include even you and me - normally  have no problem being questioned 
>(well, sort of...), that is typically how  progress is made.  But to play that 
>game on friendly terms, if you have  been too "lazy" to lift a finger for you 
>own education (even if it means via  Google!), I would say you are waaaaay too 
>arrogant to be taken seriously when  you start telling these guys who are 
>busting their buns to turn out papers and  teach and have a family life, not to 
>mention deal with the educational politics  and institutional beaurocracies, 
>without you having the necessary tools to  really understand what they are up 
>against and how science usually works in your  neck of the woods.  It ain't no fun 
>having a jack-in-the-box in Kingman pop  up saying "You're wrong, I told you 
>so" - and for those more experienced, it can  be downright funny or even 
>pathetic to listen to that.  Meteoritics, like  all sciences is developing all the 
>time as we learn more, sometimes what was a  right answer falls from favor 
>because of the benefit of hindsight which a  researcher simply doesn't have!
>
>I won't comment on the Pope and Barringer  provocations, you already have 
>figured them out I hope.  But you have a  great inquiring mind which could be 
>kicked into shape with you own initiative to  be a good scientist.
>
>Let me suggest you enroll in Pre-Algebra at the  Kingman Campus of the Mohave 
>Community College.  You seem to have the  time...It starts June 6 and is over 
>by July 11 and costs $126.
>
>Then with  that course you can take the Geology classes below you like and in 
>the process  of lab work, get an appreciation for the scientific mentod and 
>what it is like  to have someone who has hindsight to be pressuring you for 
>answers you are still  discovering, and then having to produce written 
>evaluations in the way of  assignments, lab reports, not even mentioning tests.
>
>Instead of throwing  stones from your house and bickering your intelligence 
>away over the internet,  you could even sign up for some of these courses via 
>the distance education for  $60 extra a piece if you are too lazy yourself to 
>go to class!
>
>Below is  the summer schedule for Pre-Algebra, the prerequisite for the 
>Geology courses,  and then I am sure you could sweet-talk the professors into any 
>of the courses  listed.  The Geology-Rockhounding course is really cool, if you 
>opted for  just that.  Tom, you may not fully appreciate the opportunity you 
>have  living where you do to get out in the field with experts, meet more like 
>minded  people which will add to your interest and finally be able to better 
>position  and found your questions for more satisfying responses.  XXX said 
>this so I  am right! is really a hollow response.  The math class this summer 
>would  have you set to go forward and classes are only $42 a credit there 
>special for  you in Kingman.  Who knows, being lazy might help you be a better 
>scientist  - as long as you aren't toooo lazy as some of your posts get close to  
>being!  Anyway brought to you by your friendly e-neighborhood college  
>counselor (sp?).  Man, how luck you are to have the time and location for  this!!!  
>Don't let it be taken from you...Maybe you can intern at  Killgore's:)
>Saludos, Doug
>_www.mohave.edu_ (http://www.mohave.edu) 
>$42/credit
>Pre-Algebra
>211  602 06/06/2005 07/11/2005 - MTWTh HEIDRICH SHERRI L 5:30 PM - 8:20 PM  
>KINGMAN
>
>GLG 060  ROCK-HOUND GEOLOGY: Covers a study of basic  mineralogy, including 
>rocks, minerals, fossils, and features of the land  surface, and techniques of 
>prospecting for minerals and metals.    Special emphasis is placed on local 
>geology and topics of interest to individual  class members.   Designed for the 
>amateur rock hound as well as  jewelry makers.   Includes field trips.
>Credit Hours: 3   (Three lecture; two lab)
>Prerequisites: none 
>
>GLG 101  PHYSICAL  GEOLOGY: An introduction to geologic processes on and 
>within the  Earth.   Topics covered include concepts in mineral and rocks,  
>tectonic processes, weathering and erosion, sedimentation, structural  deformation, 
>landscape development and ground water.   Laboratory work  and additional 
>field trips are included to provide observational examples of the  above topics 
>and to learn geologic field techniques of data gathering.
>Credit  Hours: 4  (Three lecture; three lab)
>Prerequisites: ENG 085, 089 and MAT  021 or appropriate score on Assessment 
>Test 
>Lab fee=$20
>
>GLG 102   HISTORICAL GEOLOGY: An introduction to the evolutionary history of 
>the earth and  life on the planet.   Topics covered include concepts in 
>stratigraphy,  rock dating, tectonic events, global climate, ecologic changes and 
>the study of  faunal and floral succession over geologic periods of time.    
>Laboratory work and additional field trips are included to provide observational  
>examples of the above topics and to learn geologic field techniques of data  
>gathering.
>Credit Hours: 4  (Three lecture; three lab)
>Lab  fee=$20
>Prerequisites: GLG 101 
>
>GLG 280  GEOLOGY OF ARIZONA: An  examination of the geologic regions and 
>tectonic history of Arizona including  the study of rocks and minerals, fossils, 
>stratigraphic relationships, desert  landscape evolution, and emplacement of 
>ore bodies.
>Credit Hours: 3   (Three lecture)
>Prerequisites: GLG 101 and 102 or permission from instructor.  
>
>GLG 285  FIELD GEOLOGY: Develop skills in the field identification  of rocks 
>and minerals, the interpretation and mapping of rock units, and the  
>integration of stratigraphic and structural relationships through practice and  
>applying geologic field techniques and reporting.
>Credit Hours: 1   (Three lab)
>Prerequisites: GLG 101 and 102 or permission from instructor.  
>
>
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>En un mensaje con fecha 05/17/2005 1:51:48 PM Mexico Daylight  Time, 
>peregrineflier at npgcable.com escribe:
>Dave
>"Maybe Tom could use the  tip of reading more books and papers and asking
>a few less questions that are  not really up to speed with the issues."
>
>Not up to speed with the  issues, Robert Woolard just posted yesterday (may
>17th) new info about PV and  a possible new classification! How is it my
>talking about the classification  of PV is not up to speed?  "Read more books
>and papers", can you direct  me to one published book that talks about
>Portales Valley's possible new  classification, H7, metallic-melt breccia
>(primitive achondrite)",?  I  don't even know if  the new paper has been
>published yet, if not, how am  I, or anyone supposed to read it?
>Thanks, Tom
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