[meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info

[MexicoDoug at aol.com]

Hola Tom,

No one said you are stupid (except your own post)!   You are ruffling some 
feathers because your comments seem to be too  insensitive.  "Scientists" - 
which can include even you and me - normally  have no problem being questioned 
(well, sort of...), that is typically how  progress is made.  But to play that 
game on friendly terms, if you have  been too "lazy" to lift a finger for you 
own education (even if it means via  Google!), I would say you are waaaaay too 
arrogant to be taken seriously when  you start telling these guys who are 
busting their buns to turn out papers and  teach and have a family life, not to 
mention deal with the educational politics  and institutional beaurocracies, 
without you having the necessary tools to  really understand what they are up 
against and how science usually works in your  neck of the woods.  It ain't no fun 
having a jack-in-the-box in Kingman pop  up saying "You're wrong, I told you 
so" - and for those more experienced, it can  be downright funny or even 
pathetic to listen to that.  Meteoritics, like  all sciences is developing all the 
time as we learn more, sometimes what was a  right answer falls from favor 
because of the benefit of hindsight which a  researcher simply doesn't have!

I won't comment on the Pope and Barringer  provocations, you already have 
figured them out I hope.  But you have a  great inquiring mind which could be 
kicked into shape with you own initiative to  be a good scientist.

Let me suggest you enroll in Pre-Algebra at the  Kingman Campus of the Mohave 
Community College.  You seem to have the  time...It starts June 6 and is over 
by July 11 and costs $126.

Then with  that course you can take the Geology classes below you like and in 
the process  of lab work, get an appreciation for the scientific mentod and 
what it is like  to have someone who has hindsight to be pressuring you for 
answers you are still  discovering, and then having to produce written 
evaluations in the way of  assignments, lab reports, not even mentioning tests.

Instead of throwing  stones from your house and bickering your intelligence 
away over the internet,  you could even sign up for some of these courses via 
the distance education for  $60 extra a piece if you are too lazy yourself to 
go to class!

Below is  the summer schedule for Pre-Algebra, the prerequisite for the 
Geology courses,  and then I am sure you could sweet-talk the professors into any 
of the courses  listed.  The Geology-Rockhounding course is really cool, if you 
opted for  just that.  Tom, you may not fully appreciate the opportunity you 
have  living where you do to get out in the field with experts, meet more like 
minded  people which will add to your interest and finally be able to better 
position  and found your questions for more satisfying responses.  XXX said 
this so I  am right! is really a hollow response.  The math class this summer 
would  have you set to go forward and classes are only $42 a credit there 
special for  you in Kingman.  Who knows, being lazy might help you be a better 
scientist  - as long as you aren't toooo lazy as some of your posts get close to  
being!  Anyway brought to you by your friendly e-neighborhood college  
counselor (sp?).  Man, how luck you are to have the time and location for  this!!!  
Don't let it be taken from you...Maybe you can intern at  Killgore's:)
Saludos, Doug
_www.mohave.edu_ (http://www.mohave.edu) 
$42/credit
Pre-Algebra
211  602 06/06/2005 07/11/2005 - MTWTh HEIDRICH SHERRI L 5:30 PM - 8:20 PM  
KINGMAN

GLG 060  ROCK-HOUND GEOLOGY: Covers a study of basic  mineralogy, including 
rocks, minerals, fossils, and features of the land  surface, and techniques of 
prospecting for minerals and metals.    Special emphasis is placed on local 
geology and topics of interest to individual  class members.   Designed for the 
amateur rock hound as well as  jewelry makers.   Includes field trips.
Credit Hours: 3   (Three lecture; two lab)
Prerequisites: none 

GLG 101  PHYSICAL  GEOLOGY: An introduction to geologic processes on and 
within the  Earth.   Topics covered include concepts in mineral and rocks,  
tectonic processes, weathering and erosion, sedimentation, structural  deformation, 
landscape development and ground water.   Laboratory work  and additional 
field trips are included to provide observational examples of the  above topics 
and to learn geologic field techniques of data gathering.
Credit  Hours: 4  (Three lecture; three lab)
Prerequisites: ENG 085, 089 and MAT  021 or appropriate score on Assessment 
Test 
Lab fee=$20

GLG 102   HISTORICAL GEOLOGY: An introduction to the evolutionary history of 
the earth and  life on the planet.   Topics covered include concepts in 
stratigraphy,  rock dating, tectonic events, global climate, ecologic changes and 
the study of  faunal and floral succession over geologic periods of time.    
Laboratory work and additional field trips are included to provide observational  
examples of the above topics and to learn geologic field techniques of data  
gathering.
Credit Hours: 4  (Three lecture; three lab)
Lab  fee=$20
Prerequisites: GLG 101 

GLG 280  GEOLOGY OF ARIZONA: An  examination of the geologic regions and 
tectonic history of Arizona including  the study of rocks and minerals, fossils, 
stratigraphic relationships, desert  landscape evolution, and emplacement of 
ore bodies.
Credit Hours: 3   (Three lecture)
Prerequisites: GLG 101 and 102 or permission from instructor.  

GLG 285  FIELD GEOLOGY: Develop skills in the field identification  of rocks 
and minerals, the interpretation and mapping of rock units, and the  
integration of stratigraphic and structural relationships through practice and  
applying geologic field techniques and reporting.
Credit Hours: 1   (Three lab)
Prerequisites: GLG 101 and 102 or permission from instructor.  



En un mensaje con fecha 05/17/2005 1:51:48 PM Mexico Daylight  Time, 
peregrineflier at npgcable.com escribe:
Dave
"Maybe Tom could use the  tip of reading more books and papers and asking
a few less questions that are  not really up to speed with the issues."

Not up to speed with the  issues, Robert Woolard just posted yesterday (may
17th) new info about PV and  a possible new classification! How is it my
talking about the classification  of PV is not up to speed?  "Read more books
and papers", can you direct  me to one published book that talks about
Portales Valley's possible new  classification, H7, metallic-melt breccia
(primitive achondrite)",?  I  don't even know if  the new paper has been
published yet, if not, how am  I, or anyone supposed to read it?
Thanks, Tom
peregrineflier  <><