[meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info

[Tom Knudson]

"Geeze, learning from others....interesting concept"

That is why I ask the questions you don't like me asking! : )

Thanks, Tom
peregrineflier <><

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From: "d freeman" <dfreeman at fascination.com>
To: <MexicoDoug at aol.com>; "meteorite email List"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Tom Knudson"
<peregrineflier at npgcable.com>; "Bob Holmes" <bobholmes at cox.net>;
"JKGwilliam" <h3chondrite at cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info


> Great post Doug,
> Geeze, learning from others....interesting concept!
> Dave F.
> (who is not proud tom, and is not a blogger participant ever) and would
> like to see Mr. Tom get some help somewhere before he turns into a
> paranoid schizophrenic!
>
> MexicoDoug at aol.com wrote:
>
> >Hola Tom,
> >
> >No one said you are stupid (except your own post)!   You are ruffling
some
> >feathers because your comments seem to be too  insensitive.
 "Scientists" -
> >which can include even you and me - normally  have no problem being
questioned
> >(well, sort of...), that is typically how  progress is made.  But to play
that
> >game on friendly terms, if you have  been too "lazy" to lift a finger for
you
> >own education (even if it means via  Google!), I would say you are
waaaaay too
> >arrogant to be taken seriously when  you start telling these guys who are
> >busting their buns to turn out papers and  teach and have a family life,
not to
> >mention deal with the educational politics  and institutional
beaurocracies,
> >without you having the necessary tools to  really understand what they
are up
> >against and how science usually works in your  neck of the woods.  It
ain't no fun
> >having a jack-in-the-box in Kingman pop  up saying "You're wrong, I told
you
> >so" - and for those more experienced, it can  be downright funny or even
> >pathetic to listen to that.  Meteoritics, like  all sciences is
developing all the
> >time as we learn more, sometimes what was a  right answer falls from
favor
> >because of the benefit of hindsight which a  researcher simply doesn't
have!
> >
> >I won't comment on the Pope and Barringer  provocations, you already have
> >figured them out I hope.  But you have a  great inquiring mind which
could be
> >kicked into shape with you own initiative to  be a good scientist.
> >
> >Let me suggest you enroll in Pre-Algebra at the  Kingman Campus of the
Mohave
> >Community College.  You seem to have the  time...It starts June 6 and is
over
> >by July 11 and costs $126.
> >
> >Then with  that course you can take the Geology classes below you like
and in
> >the process  of lab work, get an appreciation for the scientific mentod
and
> >what it is like  to have someone who has hindsight to be pressuring you
for
> >answers you are still  discovering, and then having to produce written
> >evaluations in the way of  assignments, lab reports, not even mentioning
tests.
> >
> >Instead of throwing  stones from your house and bickering your
intelligence
> >away over the internet,  you could even sign up for some of these courses
via
> >the distance education for  $60 extra a piece if you are too lazy
yourself to
> >go to class!
> >
> >Below is  the summer schedule for Pre-Algebra, the prerequisite for the
> >Geology courses,  and then I am sure you could sweet-talk the professors
into any
> >of the courses  listed.  The Geology-Rockhounding course is really cool,
if you
> >opted for  just that.  Tom, you may not fully appreciate the opportunity
you
> >have  living where you do to get out in the field with experts, meet more
like
> >minded  people which will add to your interest and finally be able to
better
> >position  and found your questions for more satisfying responses.  XXX
said
> >this so I  am right! is really a hollow response.  The math class this
summer
> >would  have you set to go forward and classes are only $42 a credit there
> >special for  you in Kingman.  Who knows, being lazy might help you be a
better
> >scientist  - as long as you aren't toooo lazy as some of your posts get
close to
> >being!  Anyway brought to you by your friendly e-neighborhood college
> >counselor (sp?).  Man, how luck you are to have the time and location for
this!!!
> >Don't let it be taken from you...Maybe you can intern at  Killgore's:)
> >Saludos, Doug
> >_www.mohave.edu_ (http://www.mohave.edu)
> >$42/credit
> >Pre-Algebra
> >211  602 06/06/2005 07/11/2005 - MTWTh HEIDRICH SHERRI L 5:30 PM - 8:20
PM
> >KINGMAN
> >
> >GLG 060  ROCK-HOUND GEOLOGY: Covers a study of basic  mineralogy,
including
> >rocks, minerals, fossils, and features of the land  surface, and
techniques of
> >prospecting for minerals and metals.    Special emphasis is placed on
local
> >geology and topics of interest to individual  class members.   Designed
for the
> >amateur rock hound as well as  jewelry makers.   Includes field trips.
> >Credit Hours: 3   (Three lecture; two lab)
> >Prerequisites: none
> >
> >GLG 101  PHYSICAL  GEOLOGY: An introduction to geologic processes on and
> >within the  Earth.   Topics covered include concepts in mineral and
rocks,
> >tectonic processes, weathering and erosion, sedimentation, structural
deformation,
> >landscape development and ground water.   Laboratory work  and additional
> >field trips are included to provide observational examples of the  above
topics
> >and to learn geologic field techniques of data gathering.
> >Credit  Hours: 4  (Three lecture; three lab)
> >Prerequisites: ENG 085, 089 and MAT  021 or appropriate score on
Assessment
> >Test
> >Lab fee=$20
> >
> >GLG 102   HISTORICAL GEOLOGY: An introduction to the evolutionary history
of
> >the earth and  life on the planet.   Topics covered include concepts in
> >stratigraphy,  rock dating, tectonic events, global climate, ecologic
changes and
> >the study of  faunal and floral succession over geologic periods of time.
> >Laboratory work and additional field trips are included to provide
observational
> >examples of the above topics and to learn geologic field techniques of
data
> >gathering.
> >Credit Hours: 4  (Three lecture; three lab)
> >Lab  fee=$20
> >Prerequisites: GLG 101
> >
> >GLG 280  GEOLOGY OF ARIZONA: An  examination of the geologic regions and
> >tectonic history of Arizona including  the study of rocks and minerals,
fossils,
> >stratigraphic relationships, desert  landscape evolution, and emplacement
of
> >ore bodies.
> >Credit Hours: 3   (Three lecture)
> >Prerequisites: GLG 101 and 102 or permission from instructor.
> >
> >GLG 285  FIELD GEOLOGY: Develop skills in the field identification  of
rocks
> >and minerals, the interpretation and mapping of rock units, and the
> >integration of stratigraphic and structural relationships through
practice and
> >applying geologic field techniques and reporting.
> >Credit Hours: 1   (Three lab)
> >Prerequisites: GLG 101 and 102 or permission from instructor.
> >
> >
> >
> >En un mensaje con fecha 05/17/2005 1:51:48 PM Mexico Daylight  Time,
> >peregrineflier at npgcable.com escribe:
> >Dave
> >"Maybe Tom could use the  tip of reading more books and papers and asking
> >a few less questions that are  not really up to speed with the issues."
> >
> >Not up to speed with the  issues, Robert Woolard just posted yesterday
(may
> >17th) new info about PV and  a possible new classification! How is it my
> >talking about the classification  of PV is not up to speed?  "Read more
books
> >and papers", can you direct  me to one published book that talks about
> >Portales Valley's possible new  classification, H7, metallic-melt breccia
> >(primitive achondrite)",?  I  don't even know if  the new paper has been
> >published yet, if not, how am  I, or anyone supposed to read it?
> >Thanks, Tom
> >peregrineflier  <><
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