[meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS

Sat May 22 22:33:34 EDT 2021

Oh, come on...they're just trying to be "inclusive".  "Woke" idiocy
now invades the hard sciences.  We're doomed...

On 5/22/21, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>
> And let's not forget the - could be, possible, maybe, perhaps witnessed fall
> category.
> Not too ambiguous for any commitee i'm sure.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> To: "bill k" <billkski at protonmail.com>
> Cc: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE
> SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
>
>
> LOL! I guess you know better than the whole nomenclature committee! ROFL!
>
> Cheers,
> John A. Shea, MD
> IMCA 3295
> www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
>
>
>
> On 5/22/21 at 2:22 PM, bill k wrote:
>
>>
>> As usual you miss the point. How can a find be a doubtful fall. It's just
>> as ridiculous as the term "witnessed find" as I
>> suggested. If the darn thing has been found it had to have fell at some
>> point. Sheeeesh.... Most of these terms are absurd.
>>
>>
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>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On Friday, May 21, 2021 7:51 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>
>> > In my estimation, Bur-Arbor likely rests in the category of "Find -
>> > Doubtful Fall" or "Find" as defined below. The degree of
>> > weathering seen on the mass is unlikely to be from an event in 1997,
>> > though an earlier event in the region may be on record
>> > somewhere, and thus be loosely connected to the mass.
>> > The below is quoted from Michael's link. Very helpful...
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > John A. Shea, MD
>> > IMCA 3295
>> > www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
>> >
>> > "The New Categorization System for Falls and Finds:
>> >
>> > In December, 2014, the NomCom adopted a new system for categorizing
>> > falls and finds. Instead of a binary system, the new one
>> > has five categories, which can be arranged in order of confidence that a
>> > meteorite is an observed fall.
>> >
>> > The top two categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines
>> > to be falls, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules
>> > for falls:
>> >
>> > A “Confirmed fall” is a meteorite determined to be a fall beyond
>> > reasonable doubt. There was a well-documented fall event,
>> > witnessed either visually or with instruments, and collection occurred
>> > soon after the event. Physical evidence is consistent
>> > with a fresh fall, or, when collection did not occur immediately,
>> > convincingly points to a fall at the time of the event.
>> >
>> > A “Probable fall” is a meteorite found to be a fall by the weight of the
>> > evidence, but there remains some degree of doubt.
>> > There were observations of an event considered likely to have produced
>> > meteorites, but there remains some doubt about whether
>> > the collected meteorite is related to the event, or about the nature of
>> > the event itself.
>> >
>> > The bottom three categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom
>> > determines to be finds, and are subject to the nomenclatural
>> > rules for finds, including application of DCA numbering sequences.
>> >
>> > A “Find, possible fall” is a meteorite that was submitted with
>> > information that may connect it to a fall event, but the
>> > evidence was found to be insufficient to accept this claim. There was an
>> > observation that seems consistent with a fall event,
>> > but there is significant doubt, either about whether the meteorite is
>> > connected to the event or about the observations of the
>> > event itself.
>> >
>> > A “Find, doubtful fall” is also a meteorite submitted with information
>> > that may connect it to a fall event, but there is a high
>> > degree of doubt about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or
>> > about the observations of the event itself.
>> >
>> > A “Find” is a meteorite for which no evidence, or no credible evidence,
>> > was submitted concerning the fall circumstances."
>> >
>> > On 5/21/21 at 7:29 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:
>> >
>> > From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list"
>> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> > Date: May 21, 2021
>> > To: "bill k" <billkski at protonmail.com>
>> > Cc: "Darryl Pitt" <museumcenterpiece at gmail.com>,
>> > "Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"
>> > <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE
>> > SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
>> > Bill, please see Microsoft Word - falls and finds - accepted
>> > 2-24-2015.docx (usra.edu) for an answer to your question. The
>> > Nomenclature Committee of the Meteoritical Society maintains these
>> > definitions.
>> >
>> > -Michael in so. Cal.
>> >
>> > Virus-free. www.avg.com
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>> > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:44 PM bill k via Meteorite-list
>> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > "Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such
>> > > designation exists.
>> > >
>> > > Is there an "official" designation for "witnessed find"? I mean it is
>> > > implied and should go without saying... but is it an
>> > > officially recognized term?
>> > >
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>> > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> > > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 6:45 AM, Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list
>> > > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Elizabeth,
>> > > >
>> > > > Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no
>> > > > such designation exists. The features of this meteorite
>> > > > are consistent with a residency on Earth of at least decades — if
>> > > > not centuries...or far more; Bur-Abor is an outstanding,
>> > > > highly weathered meteorite. Please remedy as we all get hurt when
>> > > > the line between puffing and misrepresentation is
>> > > > blurred.
>> > > >
>> > > > > On May 18, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Elizabeth Grose via Meteorite-list
>> > > > > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > NOW AVAILABLE AT AUCTION
>> > > > > BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
>> > > > > Iron, medium octahedrite IIIAB
>> > > > > Northeastern Province,
>> > > > > Kenyahttps://www.bonhams.com/auctions/27190/lot/11/
>> > > > >
>> > > > > A thrilling 600-pound main mass, the Bur-Abor meteorite main mass
>> > > > > may arguably be classed at the top of all large iron
>> > > > > meteorites to be offered at auction. Bur -Abor was found in
>> > > > > Northeastern Kenya in a local family's garden, after it fell
>> > > > > on Nov. 27, 1997. Considered an unwitnessed fall, Bur-Abor boasts
>> > > > > numerous distinguished qualities.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The present main mass is replete with regmaglypts and large scoops
>> > > > > while also displaying the rarely seen feature of
>> > > > > orientation. These distinctive features were caused by ablation as
>> > > > > the meteorite coursed through Earth's atmosphere. One
>> > > > > can see the surface area where elongated, parallel thumbprints
>> > > > > indicate oriented flight, which melted grooves into the
>> > > > > surface, mirroring each other in shape and size. Created by
>> > > > > millions of years in the heavy metal core of an asteroid, it
>> > > > > weighs a massive 274 kilograms and has never been cleaned or wire
>> > > > > brushed; its appearance is exactly as it was the day it
>> > > > > was found.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > After its discovery, a portion of Bur-Abor was taken to the
>> > > > > Natural History Museum in London. The present offering is the
>> > > > > main mass. Iron meteorites of this size and beauty are generally
>> > > > > only seen in world renowned museums and a few university
>> > > > > display collections. The magnificent piece is offered on a
>> > > > > rotating custom steel stand. Weighing 274kg (602.8 lbs).
>> > > > > Measuring 32 x 20 x 15 in
>> > > > > View it online: https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/27190/lot/11/
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