[meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS

Sat May 22 21:59:11 EDT 2021

And let's not forget the - could be, possible, maybe, perhaps witnessed fall category.
Not too ambiguous for any commitee i'm sure.

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From: "Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
To: "bill k" <billkski at protonmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS

LOL! I guess you know better than the whole nomenclature committee! ROFL!

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
www.bigjohnmeteorites.com

On 5/22/21 at 2:22 PM, bill k wrote:

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> As usual you miss the point. How can a find be a doubtful fall. It's just as ridiculous as the term "witnessed find" as I 
> suggested. If the darn thing has been found it had to have fell at some point. Sheeeesh.... Most of these terms are absurd.
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> On Friday, May 21, 2021 7:51 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
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> > In my estimation, Bur-Arbor likely rests in the category of "Find - Doubtful Fall" or "Find" as defined below. The degree of 
> > weathering seen on the mass is unlikely to be from an event in 1997, though an earlier event in the region may be on record 
> > somewhere, and thus be loosely connected to the mass.
> > The below is quoted from Michael's link. Very helpful...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > John A. Shea, MD
> > IMCA 3295
> > www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
> >
> > "The New Categorization System for Falls and Finds:
> >
> > In December, 2014, the NomCom adopted a new system for categorizing falls and finds. Instead of a binary system, the new one 
> > has five categories, which can be arranged in order of confidence that a meteorite is an observed fall.
> >
> > The top two categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines to be falls, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules 
> > for falls:
> >
> > A “Confirmed fall” is a meteorite determined to be a fall beyond reasonable doubt. There was a well-documented fall event, 
> > witnessed either visually or with instruments, and collection occurred soon after the event. Physical evidence is consistent 
> > with a fresh fall, or, when collection did not occur immediately, convincingly points to a fall at the time of the event.
> >
> > A “Probable fall” is a meteorite found to be a fall by the weight of the evidence, but there remains some degree of doubt. 
> > There were observations of an event considered likely to have produced meteorites, but there remains some doubt about whether 
> > the collected meteorite is related to the event, or about the nature of the event itself.
> >
> > The bottom three categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines to be finds, and are subject to the nomenclatural 
> > rules for finds, including application of DCA numbering sequences.
> >
> > A “Find, possible fall” is a meteorite that was submitted with information that may connect it to a fall event, but the 
> > evidence was found to be insufficient to accept this claim. There was an observation that seems consistent with a fall event, 
> > but there is significant doubt, either about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the observations of the 
> > event itself.
> >
> > A “Find, doubtful fall” is also a meteorite submitted with information that may connect it to a fall event, but there is a high 
> > degree of doubt about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the observations of the event itself.
> >
> > A “Find” is a meteorite for which no evidence, or no credible evidence, was submitted concerning the fall circumstances."
> >
> > On 5/21/21 at 7:29 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:
> >
> > From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Date: May 21, 2021
> > To: "bill k" <billkski at protonmail.com>
> > Cc: "Darryl Pitt" <museumcenterpiece at gmail.com>,
> > "Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
> > Bill, please see Microsoft Word - falls and finds - accepted 2-24-2015.docx (usra.edu) for an answer to your question. The 
> > Nomenclature Committee of the Meteoritical Society maintains these definitions.
> >
> > -Michael in so. Cal.
> >
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> > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:44 PM bill k via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such designation exists.
> > >
> > > Is there an "official" designation for "witnessed find"? I mean it is implied and should go without saying... but is it an 
> > > officially recognized term?
> > >
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> > > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 6:45 AM, Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Elizabeth,
> > > >
> > > > Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such designation exists. The features of this meteorite 
> > > > are consistent with a residency on Earth of at least decades — if not centuries...or far more; Bur-Abor is an outstanding, 
> > > > highly weathered meteorite. Please remedy as we all get hurt when the line between puffing and misrepresentation is 
> > > > blurred.
> > > >
> > > > > On May 18, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Elizabeth Grose via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > NOW AVAILABLE AT AUCTION
> > > > > BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
> > > > > Iron, medium octahedrite IIIAB
> > > > > Northeastern Province, Kenyahttps://www.bonhams.com/auctions/27190/lot/11/
> > > > >
> > > > > A thrilling 600-pound main mass, the Bur-Abor meteorite main mass may arguably be classed at the top of all large iron 
> > > > > meteorites to be offered at auction. Bur -Abor was found in Northeastern Kenya in a local family's garden, after it fell 
> > > > > on Nov. 27, 1997. Considered an unwitnessed fall, Bur-Abor boasts numerous distinguished qualities.
> > > > >
> > > > > The present main mass is replete with regmaglypts and large scoops while also displaying the rarely seen feature of 
> > > > > orientation. These distinctive features were caused by ablation as the meteorite coursed through Earth's atmosphere. One 
> > > > > can see the surface area where elongated, parallel thumbprints indicate oriented flight, which melted grooves into the 
> > > > > surface, mirroring each other in shape and size. Created by millions of years in the heavy metal core of an asteroid, it 
> > > > > weighs a massive 274 kilograms and has never been cleaned or wire brushed; its appearance is exactly as it was the day it 
> > > > > was found.
> > > > >
> > > > > After its discovery, a portion of Bur-Abor was taken to the Natural History Museum in London. The present offering is the 
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