[meteorite-list] EBAY SCAM ALERT - balogne_t - Attn: DEALERSBLOCK HIM NOW

[Richard Montgomery]

Hi List,
I am currently awaiting response for receipt of a sale from the recipient in 
the Russian Federation for a small but nice Sikhote Alin batch they 
purchased (hey! a reverse fall!)...and based upon their ebay feedback 
numbers being very small, they asked for a tracking number.   Of course, as 
is being discussed here, international delivery confirmations rest solely 
upon the recipient's word.

Our local US Postal rep (whom I respect), upon being asked "Since Delivery 
Confirmation isn't available for international deliveries, how can I be sure 
if and when it arrives?" the response was:  "When they tell you it did."

....At which point I promptly took a picture of the package and 
receipt-generated, containing the US Customs "number".....(I have no idea 
how worthy this will be in an ebay court-of-appeals), and sent the pictures 
back to the buyer who seemed pleased, leaving it in the (currently) hands of 
the US Customs office....but that also potentially opens up a new can of 
worms.

Needless to say, international sharing of our precious space material has 
been working for decades.  I'm hoping to hear from some of you with years of 
experiences...

-Richard Montgomery


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Merchant" <dmerchan at rochester.rr.com>
To: <cspratt at islandnet.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Cc: "Don Merchant" <dmerchan at rochester.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EBAY SCAM ALERT - balogne_t - Attn: 
DEALERSBLOCK HIM NOW


> Great info Chris. As you stated tracking ends when it reaches Customs. My 
> question to all this is, at which point does the Seller not become 
> responsible any more. Since it can be proved that tracking made it to at 
> least Customs, then this means the package was at one point officially in 
> the the hands of say USPS, FedEx, UPS, ect. which are businesses who get 
> paid by us, for a service they offer, and that service is delivery. That 
> responsibility should become the Delivery Service Provider once money is 
> exchanged between parties. ALWAYS send delivery confirmation here in the 
> U.S. It's cheap to send with delivery confirmation and now you have proof 
> it was delivered! Even if the Provider delivered the "meteorite" to the 
> wrong address, is that not the fault of the Provider!? Is it fair that a 
> Seller be responsible at that point?
> Now if sending from U.S. to International....you ALWAYS have to fill out a 
> Customs Declaration. You hold onto the part that the Provider stamps and 
> gives back to you. That is proof you paid a Provider for a service they 
> offer, and the package is now in their hands. So at that point the issue 
> of lost, stolen, or never delivered, can be proven by either Delivery 
> confirmation and or via the Customs Declaration Label. You would think 
> eBay would have this figured out and would just tell the Buyer to wait 
> another 7 days before acting and returning money to the Buyer.
> *
> Now that we know the Provider is responsible, What are the obligations of 
> a Seller to a Buyer, when clearly the proof shows that the Provider was 
> paid, but did not do their job. I have been fortunate to not have an issue 
> with proving that I sent out the package via a Provider and or an eBay 
> Buyer trying to scam me. Can any Sellers ping in on how far to accept 
> responsibilty as a Seller and to what measures you would take to the 
> Buyer.
>
> Sincerely
> Don Merchant
> Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
> www.ctreasurescwonders.com
> IMCA #0960
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Spratt" <cspratt at islandnet.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EBAY SCAM ALERT - balogne_t - Attn: DEALERS 
> BLOCK HIM NOW
>
>
>> Hi Listers:
>>
>> Anne is right - mail to Canada can take up to 2 weeks to arrive. That is 
>> 14-17 Working Days (don't count weekends or holidays).
>> Padded envelopes can be a bit quicker - boxes can take longer as Canada 
>> Customs can dip their grabby fingers into those.
>> I usually make a query to the seller after about 18-21 working days have 
>> passed since the item was mailed by the seller. Best to
>> tell customers when package was actually mailed. Tracking numbers do 
>> help, but tracking by USPS stops, after the package reaches
>> the Canadian Border Boonies and fades/merges into our Postal System.
>>
>> Happy New Years to all,
>>
>> Chris. Spratt
>> Victoria, BC
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