[meteorite-list] FW: High Noon!

Tue Sep 6 16:10:21 EDT 2011

Hi John:

Don't let the door hit you in the tuchus on your way out!

Phil Whitmer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Teague" <volgems at icx.net>
To: "Michael Gilmer" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>; "Marc Fries" <fries at psi.edu>
Cc: "Adam" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: High Noon!

> Well, sure Mike,  why use reason and logic in this 'debate'?!?  Where 
> would the world be if we all did that?
>
> This 'debate' is why I NO LONGER suggest this list to my customers at 
> shows.  I have had too many of them come back and ask why I had 
> "meteorite-list" on my handout of website information for customers.  I 
> received so many negative comments/complaints about petty bickering (and 
> NOT so petty!) that I've removed it.
>
> I keep asking myself "Why do I continue to subscribe?"  It is getting 
> harder and harder to come up with a valid reason ... just stubborn I 
> guess!
>
> Just my two coppers worth ...
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Michael Gilmer <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>>Sent: Sep 6, 2011 3:48 PM
>>To: Marc Fries <fries at psi.edu>
>>Cc: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: High Noon!
>>
>>Hi Gang,
>>
>>I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think one simple fact is being
>>overlooked by almost everyone involved here, and this simple criteria
>>is the ultimate litmus test that definitively confirm or deny a
>>terrestrial origin for a given sample...
>>
>>
>>Drumroll please....
>>
>>Cosmic ray exposure data.  Elemental analysis is fine and dandy, and
>>it can answer many questions, but it cannot definitively confirm or
>>deny the terrestrial (or meteoritic) origin for a sample.  It simply
>>states what elements are present in the sample and in what
>>concentrations (within a margin of error) these elements are present.
>>As we all know, some lunar and martian meteorites are very similar in
>>elemental composition to their terrestrial analogs.  But, terrestrial
>>rocks have never been exposed to cosmic rays.  By contrast, all
>>meteorites have been exposed to cosmic rays during their journey from
>>the parent body to Earth.  This exposure leaves tell-tale markers in
>>the material.
>>
>>Of course, I am over-simplifying to some degree, and the cosmic ray
>>exposure clock can be reset by certain events, but those events also
>>leave their own signatures.
>>
>>Simple XRF analysis, and/or visual comparisons will not cut it to make
>>a truly definitive and authoritative judgement on the origins of a
>>rock.
>>
>>Run cosmic ray exposure studies on the material in question - if it
>>was exposed to cosmic rays, then that material has spent time outside
>>of Earth's protective shield.  Once that has been established, then
>>the samples can be subjected to SEM (scanning electron microprobe) to
>>determine the composition of the material to a more accurate and
>>specific degree than the XRF will reveal.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>MikeG
>>
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>>On 9/6/11, Marc Fries <fries at psi.edu> wrote:
>>> Oh come on, Adam!  Clearly the good Sheriff is an expert at identifying
>>> Martian meteorites.
>>>
>>> The only non-awesome part of that email was how I was somehow left off 
>>> the
>>> Thinks Steve Curry is a Moron list.  I feel cheated.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Marc Fries
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 6, 2011, at 1:16 PM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi List,
>>>>
>>>> I would suggest deleting Steve C.s emails from now on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve got exactly what he was after now that this garbage has been 
>>>> posted
>>>> to the List.  His San Juan breccia has already been studied and 
>>>> denounced
>>>> by the most qualified laboratories. He refuses to follow the same 
>>>> channels
>>>> the rest of us have to in order to make meteorites official.  For some
>>>> reason, possibly watching too much television, he thinks that he is 
>>>> better
>>>> than everybody else, can set his own rules and become an instant
>>>> millionaire.  Sorry, Steve, despite what the voices in your head might 
>>>> be
>>>> telling you, your gaggle of "Moon Rocks" is not better than the NASA
>>>> Apollo returned collection!
>>>>
>>>> He now wants more attention with this fake showdown which will 
>>>> accomplish
>>>> nothing because the results would not be what he wants to hear or 
>>>> believe.
>>>> He has the nerve to question the integrity of the best planetary
>>>> scientists in the world in his latest ramblings.  He now thinks by
>>>> comparing his terrestrial rocks to best lunar meteorite in the world 
>>>> that
>>>> he can gain even more notoriety. He does not deserve any more 
>>>> attention.
>>>> I will certainly not degrade a piece of real NWA 5K by engaging in this
>>>> ridiculous "High Noon" challenge.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My challenge to Stevy is how many "Denver Death Cookies" can he drink 
>>>> at
>>>> Denver show at Teddy's Bar?
>>>>
>>>> Enough of this crap already,
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
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