[meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE

[cdtucson at cox.net]

Kai,
NWA 5363 is in fact paired with NWA 5400. Neither one of them are brachinites. They are both brachinite -like and are both ungrouped Achondrites. 
see link ;

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=nwa+5363&sfor=names&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normal%20table&code=49093

please note that it is provisional but Dr. Jambon has publicly stated that they are  paired an email through Zelimir Gabelica as seen below.  
The following is a copy of this information see below.

 
> >  Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:47:14 +0200 
> > To:  meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com 
> > From: Zelimir Gabelica  <Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr> 
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] PAIRINGS TO  NWA 5400 
> > 
> > Dear List, 
> > 
> > I just received a  message from Albert Jambon 
> > regarding the recently debated issue of  NWA 5400 and its possible 
> pairings. 
> > Albert contacted me (as Ensishim  organizer) after 
> > several unfruitful attempts and asked me to send  
> > this message (below) to the list. 
> > 
> > I know that  forwarding someone else's message 
> > does not really meet the meteorite  list policy 
> > but thought that Albert, who was often cited 
> >  and/or called in this effervescent discussion, 
> > should have the right  of answering the concerned 
> > protagonists and present his statement  about an 
> > issue (NWA 4500 pairings) wherein he has been fully  involved. 
> > I hope the list moderator would allow this post to  go. 
> > 
> > Zelimir 
> > ------------------------------ 
> >  
> > Now it's enough. 
> > 
> > I have been out of my office for  fieldwork with 
> > my students and a friend of mine draw my attention to  this mess. 
> > Now I am back. 
> > 
> > Original scientific  information does not have to 
> > go to the list first but rather to The  Nom. Com. and scientific 
> publications. 
> > Description of NWA 5363 has  been submitted since a long time but not yet 
> voted. 
> > However, the  situation is such that it appears 
> > better to release some  information. 
> > NWA 5400 is undoubtedly paired with NWA 5363! 
> >  
> > I received a sample from Mbarek Ait el Caid in February 2008. 
> >  I received a second sample from another stone in 
> > May of the same  year, again from Mbarek. 
> > I had additional samples from American  collectors as well. 
> > 
> > Copies of my private mails that were  posted on 
> > this list are authentic (but not the translation). 
> >  
> > NWA 5363 was submitted with a TKW of 2455g. 
> > The second stone  has a TKW of 5530 g. 
> > As for the others I just don't know. 
> >  
> > If you want more scientific information, go to the Met. Bull.  database. 
> > 
> > When you know nothing just keep silent. 
> >  
> > And now according to Greg's writing : 
> > "I welcome any pairings  to NWA 5400, the 
> > Earth-Related Meteorite! The more the better for all  of us." 
> > 
> > I have been insulted. 
> > My Moroccan partners  have been insulted too. 
> > We all wait for apology. 
> > 
> >  Albert Jambon 
> > 
> > 
> > 
Thanks Carl
Carl


--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


---- kai ke <torontokai at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> I am confused by your post. You memtioned that 5363 is 5400 paired.
> But NWA5400 is a brachnite like but not a brachnite due to its
> terrestial osotope. It is a terrestial meteorite or ungrouped. To be a
> brachnite and nwa5400 paired is a contradiction to me. Anyway I cannot
> find the  5363 on meteotitical bulletin.
> 
> Just post my thinking for your consideration.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kai
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