[meteorite-list] Dr Jambons email to list on pairings

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By request, here is Dr. Jambon's email to the list.

> > > >  Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:47:14 +0200 
> > > > To:  meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com 
> > > > From: Zelimir Gabelica  <Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr> 
> > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] PAIRINGS TO  NWA 5400 
> > > > 
> > > > Dear List, 
> > > > 
> > > > I just received a  message from Albert Jambon 
> > > > regarding the recently debated issue of  NWA 5400 and its possible 
> > > pairings. 
> > > > Albert contacted me (as Ensishim  organizer) after 
> > > > several unfruitful attempts and asked me to send  
> > > > this message (below) to the list. 
> > > > 
> > > > I know that  forwarding someone else's message 
> > > > does not really meet the meteorite  list policy 
> > > > but thought that Albert, who was often cited 
> > > >  and/or called in this effervescent discussion, 
> > > > should have the right  of answering the concerned 
> > > > protagonists and present his statement  about an 
> > > > issue (NWA 4500 pairings) wherein he has been fully  involved. 
> > > > I hope the list moderator would allow this post to  go. 
> > > > 
> > > > Zelimir 
> > > > ------------------------------ 
> > > >  
> > > > Now it's enough. 
> > > > 
> > > > I have been out of my office for  fieldwork with 
> > > > my students and a friend of mine draw my attention to  this mess. 
> > > > Now I am back. 
> > > > 
> > > > Original scientific  information does not have to 
> > > > go to the list first but rather to The  Nom. Com. and scientific 
> > > publications. 
> > > > Description of NWA 5363 has  been submitted since a long time but not yet 
> > > voted. 
> > > > However, the  situation is such that it appears 
> > > > better to release some  information. 
> > > > NWA 5400 is undoubtedly paired with NWA 5363! 
> > > >  
> > > > I received a sample from Mbarek Ait el Caid in February 2008. 
> > > >  I received a second sample from another stone in 
> > > > May of the same  year, again from Mbarek. 
> > > > I had additional samples from American  collectors as well. 
> > > > 
> > > > Copies of my private mails that were  posted on 
> > > > this list are authentic (but not the translation). 
> > > >  
> > > > NWA 5363 was submitted with a TKW of 2455g. 
> > > > The second stone  has a TKW of 5530 g. 
> > > > As for the others I just don't know. 
> > > >  
> > > > If you want more scientific information, go to the Met. Bull.  database. 
> > > > 
> > > > When you know nothing just keep silent. 
> > > >  
> > > > And now according to Greg's writing : 
> > > > "I welcome any pairings  to NWA 5400, the 
> > > > Earth-Related Meteorite! The more the better for all  of us." 
> > > > 
> > > > I have been insulted. 
> > > > My Moroccan partners  have been insulted too. 
> > > > We all wait for apology. 
> > > > 
> > > >  Albert Jambon 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > Thanks Carl
> > Carl
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Carl or Debbie Esparza
> > Meteoritemax
> > 
> > 
> > ---- kai ke <torontokai at gmail.com> wrote: 
> > > Hi Tom,
> > > 
> > > I am confused by your post. You memtioned that 5363 is 5400 paired.
> > > But NWA5400 is a brachnite like but not a brachnite due to its
> > > terrestial osotope. It is a terrestial meteorite or ungrouped. To be a
> > > brachnite and nwa5400 paired is a contradiction to me. Anyway I cannot
> > > find the  5363 on meteotitical bulletin.
> > > 
> > > Just post my thinking for your consideration.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Kai
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