[meteorite-list] Mike Farmer's Comments about Steve Arnold
Galactic Stone & Ironworks
meteoritemike at gmail.com
Wed Aug 12 22:12:55 EDT 2009
Steve Arnold Prime said -
"Since I didn't want to violate the 2 ads in a week
policy, I appreciate that he brought that up."
Actually it's one ad per week.
I used to think it was 2 also, but some of the recent uproar about ads
prompted me to go re-read the rules. And I was surprised to see,
that's it's one ad per week.
Best regards and clear skies,
MikeG
On 8/12/09, MeteorHntr at aol.com <MeteorHntr at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Hello List and Mike,
>
> I would like to thank those of you that responded off list to me about the
> other post I made earlier today about Mike Farmer. As those of you know
> that did contact me, I wasn't specifically interested in asking about what
> Mike just shared with all of us here on the list, but now that it is
> brought
> up:
>
> if Mike has shared with any of the rest of you any of the same things in
> private that he just posted to the group, please contact me off list so we
> can discuss them.
>
> Obviously Mike doesn't care if we talk about these issues, as it seems he
> is eager for all of this to come out into the open. So if he asked anyone
> to keep these kind of things "confidential" when he discussed them with you
> before, you can feel free to share all those details with me now. Thanks.
>
>
> I did not choose to make things more public as falsely stated, but it
> seems like Mike just did.
>
> Of course any lawsuit is in the public domain, so everyone that feels so
> compelled should write the court and get a copy of the Petition that was
> filed for themselves. Then after reading the petition, if anyone has any
> questions about the allegations made in it, they should ask the
> plaintiff(s)
> directly as it is the plaintiff(s) that are the ones making them, not me.
> Getting the Petition will prove to be a very entertaining read, I promise.
>
> But Mike, you bring up some interesting accusations yourself in your
> public post. Either you are repeating hearsay and gossip, or you have
> actual
> first hand knowledge and or proof of everything you are accusing me of
> here,
> right? I would say it is YOU Mike Farmer, that now has the burden of proof
> that all these public claims are in fact factual.
>
> So, it is probably your responsibility for you to offer your sources for
> this (mis)information, on the following statements you have made:
>
> 1. That I have not paid the people at Admire anything. Can you prove that?
>
> 2. That I have been "kicked off most of the land" at Admire. Can you
> prove that?
>
> 3. My "8n8 contracts" are somehow now overdue. Can you prove that?
>
> 4. That I have traded 100kg Brenhams without paying landowners pennies.
> Can you prove that?
>
> 5. That "my" TV show mentions that 100 kilo Brenham being worth $125,000.
> Can you prove that?
>
> 6. That on this list l offered meteorites higher (in weight than 100kg)
> for $10,000. Can you prove that?
>
> 7. That such an (above) offer would be a scam. Can you prove that?
>
> 8. That my show stating that less than less than $1 per gram for Brenham
> Pallasite is "incredible inflated and unrealistic prices." Can you prove
> that?
>
> 9. That all land owners are now going to want $125,000 for 100 kilo
> meteorites. Can you prove that?
>
> 10. That all collectors are going to have to pay more now. Can you prove
> that?
>
> 11. That I have convinced the public that they all can become
> millionaires? Can you prove that?
>
> 12. That I am destroying this (meteorite) business. Can you prove that?
>
> 13. That I am ripping off land owners. Can you prove that?
>
> 14. That I am inflating prices. Can you prove that?
>
> 15. That this isn't funny. Can you prove that?
>
> 16. Which people have you spoken to "working at Admire" that you are
> quoting? Can you list names?
>
> 17. That the land owners at Admire are mad at me for not being paid for 2
> years. Can you prove that?
>
> Please name names if you are citing this "hearsay" as "proof."
>
> 18. That hunters are not welcome on many farms at Admire now. Can you
> prove that?
>
> 19. That "they" think "we" are all con men now. Can you prove that?
>
> 20. That the Admire I am selling on ebay now is from the investors
> project. Can you prove that?
>
> 21. That the investors have gotten almost nothing back. Can you prove
> that?
>
> 22. Than I am obligated some way to clear up these things for you. Can
> you prove that?
>
> 23. And if I do, that there will be nothing to talk about? Can you prove
> that?
>
> 24. That you are Mike Farmer. Can you prove that? (Sorry, but when over
> 20 claims, which of course you can't back up, are made in one email,
> because you have no first hand knowledge of any of this, it makes me wonder
> if
> you are not really Mike Farmer, but maybe really Michael Casper.)
>
> 25. That the premise that this is ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS to begin with? Can
> you prove that?
>
> I am sure you will do like the last time this happened on the list and
> respond with: "Yea, Steve you are right." then refuse to answer these
> questions above. Which if fine. None of us here on the list expect you to
> actually back up anything you say or that you ask questions for the purpose
> of
> getting actual answers. But I feel obligated to ask you these questions
> anyway, even though we know you won't answer them.
>
> Now, back to my question that I asked the list. If Michael Farmer has
> made any negative statements about me or my business in private to you,
> including but not limited to his fantastic comments below, would you please
> contact me in private off the list.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Oh, and Mike did get at least one thing right, I do have some Admire up on
> Ebay right now. Since I didn't want to violate the 2 ads in a week
> policy, I appreciate that he brought that up. Thanks Mike.
>
> Here is the URL:
> http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store Bid high, and
> bid often!
>
> And for the record, I tried to keep within the Meteorite List's rules in
> my reply. The only insult I threw at Mike, might have been a subtle
> reference that he is acting like Michael Casper. While that alone might be
> considered by many an offense worthy of being kicked off the list, I think
> I have
> far more "proof" Farmer has morphed into Casper-like-behavior than he has
> proof of the allegations he has made about me.
>
> Steve Arnold
> of "Meteorite Men"
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/12/2009 3:27:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> mike at meteoriteguy.com writes:
> Steve, since you want to make things more public, start by explaining your
> side of this:
>
> Mani vs Arnold
>
> Bexar County District Clerk
>
> Bexar County Courthouse
>
> 100 Dolorosa Street, 1st Floor
>
> San Antonio, TX 78205-3002
>
> 75 page lawsuit for theft and fraud.
>
> I am sure with pending litigation you won't wish to do that though.
>
>
> Why is it that you pound on people with your contracts, such as when you
> cried about people raiding your Admire strewnfield, yet your contracts are
> worth less than the paper they are printed on. Tell people why you have
> paid
> the landowners nothing in Admire, so you are now kicked off of most of
> that land and other people have taken over the hunt.
> Tell people how your 8 in 8 contracts went, 3 years overdue now. Tell
> people how you have traded off 100 kilo Brenhams for mars rocks and not
> paid
> the landowners a penny.
>
> I am curious about another thing, in your meteorite men show, which
> promenantly shows an Admire strewnfild map (very very smart move there) it
> shows
> prices of 100 kilo Brenham pallasites as $125,000 value.
> Yet you publicly on this meteorite list try selling the same meteorites of
> even higher weights for $10,000, a 92% discount not even taking into. That
> is what I call a scam.
> You have spread this massive value to the world on your show, incredible
> inflated and unrealistic prices. Now all landowners are going to want
> $125,000 for a 100 kilo meteorite. All collectors are going to have to pay
> more
> for new finds since you convinced the public they can all become
> millionaires.
> You are destroying this business by ripping off landowners, and inflating
> prices to the public which are so far from true it isn't even funny
> anymore. I have spoken to people working in Admire than they inform me that
> because you you and the bad feelings from the landowners at not being paid
> in
> more than two years, hunters are not welcome on many farms there anymore.
> They
> think we are all conmen.
>
> How much of that ebay Admire money is going to the investors who sunk more
> than $50,000 into your hunts years ago and have received almost nothing
> back? If you clear these things up, then there will be nothing to talk
> about.
>
> Michael Farmer
>
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