[meteorite-list] Mike Farmer's Comments about Steve Arnold

[MeteorHntr at aol.com]

Hello List and Mike,

I would like to thank those of you that  responded off list to me about the 
other post I made earlier today about Mike  Farmer.  As those of you know 
that did contact me, I wasn't specifically  interested in asking about what 
Mike just shared with all of us here on the  list, but now that it is brought 
up:
 
if Mike has shared with any of the rest of you any of the same things in  
private that he just posted to the group, please contact me off list so we 
can  discuss them.  
 
Obviously Mike doesn't care if we talk about these issues, as it seems he  
is eager for all of this to come out into the open.  So if he asked anyone  
to keep these kind of things "confidential" when he discussed them with you  
before, you can feel free to share all those details with me now.   Thanks. 
 

I did not choose to make things more public as falsely  stated, but it 
seems like Mike just did.

Of course any lawsuit is in the  public domain, so everyone that feels so 
compelled should write the court and  get a copy of the Petition that was 
filed for themselves.  Then after  reading the petition, if anyone has any 
questions about the allegations made in  it, they should ask the plaintiff(s) 
directly as it is the plaintiff(s) that are  the ones making them, not me.  
Getting the Petition will prove to be a very  entertaining read, I promise.

But Mike, you bring up some interesting  accusations yourself in your 
public post.  Either you are repeating hearsay  and gossip, or you have actual 
first hand knowledge and or proof of everything  you are accusing me of here, 
right?  I would say it is YOU Mike Farmer,  that now has the burden of proof 
that all these public claims are in fact  factual.

So, it is probably your responsibility for you to offer your  sources for 
this (mis)information, on the following statements you have  made:

1. That I have not paid the people at Admire anything.  Can  you prove that?

2. That I have been "kicked off most of the land" at  Admire.  Can you 
prove that?

3. My "8n8 contracts" are somehow now  overdue.  Can you prove that?

4. That I have traded 100kg Brenhams  without paying landowners pennies.  
Can you prove that?

5. That "my"  TV show mentions that 100 kilo Brenham being worth $125,000.  
Can you prove  that?

6. That on this list l offered meteorites higher (in weight than  100kg) 
for $10,000.  Can you prove that?

7. That such an (above)  offer would be a scam.  Can you prove that?

8. That my show stating  that less than less than $1 per gram for Brenham 
Pallasite is "incredible  inflated and unrealistic prices."   Can you prove 
that?

9. That  all land owners are now going to want $125,000 for 100 kilo 
meteorites.   Can you prove that?

10. That all collectors are going to have to pay more  now.  Can you prove 
that?

11. That I have convinced the public that  they all can become 
millionaires?  Can you prove that?

12. That I am  destroying this (meteorite) business.  Can you prove that?

13. That  I am ripping off land owners.  Can you prove that?

14. That I am  inflating prices.  Can you prove that?

15. That this isn't  funny.  Can you prove that?

16. Which people have you spoken to  "working at Admire" that you are 
quoting?  Can you list names?

17.  That the land owners at Admire are mad at me for not being paid for 2  
years.  Can you prove that?  

Please name names if you are  citing this "hearsay" as "proof."

18. That hunters are not welcome on  many farms at Admire now. Can you 
prove that?

19. That "they" think "we"  are all con men now.  Can you prove that?

20. That the Admire I am  selling on ebay now is from the investors 
project.  Can you prove  that?

21. That the investors have gotten almost nothing back.  Can  you prove 
that?

22. Than I am obligated some way to clear up these things  for you.  Can 
you prove that?

23. And if I do, that there will be  nothing to talk about?  Can you prove 
that?

24. That you are Mike  Farmer.  Can you prove that?   (Sorry, but when over 
20 claims,  which of course you can't back up, are made in one email, 
because you have no  first hand knowledge of any of this, it makes me wonder if 
you are not really  Mike Farmer, but maybe really Michael Casper.) 

25. That the premise  that this is ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS to begin with?  Can 
you prove  that?

I am sure you will do like the last time this happened on the list  and 
respond with: "Yea, Steve you are right." then refuse to answer these  
questions above.  Which if fine.  None of us here on the list expect  you to 
actually back up anything you say or that you ask questions for the  purpose of 
getting actual answers.  But I feel obligated to ask you these  questions 
anyway, even though we know you won't answer them.  

Now,  back to my question that I asked the list.  If Michael Farmer has 
made any  negative statements about me or my business in private to you, 
including but not  limited to his fantastic comments below, would you please 
contact me in private  off the list.  

Thank you in advance.

Oh, and Mike did get at  least one thing right, I do have some Admire up on 
Ebay right now.  Since I  didn't want to violate the 2 ads in a week 
policy, I appreciate that he brought  that up.   Thanks Mike.

Here is the URL:  
http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store  Bid high, and  bid often!

And for the record, I tried to keep within the Meteorite  List's rules in 
my reply.  The only insult I threw at Mike, might have been  a subtle 
reference that he is acting like Michael Casper.  While that alone  might be 
considered by many an offense worthy of being kicked off the list, I  think I have 
far more "proof" Farmer has morphed into Casper-like-behavior than  he has 
proof of the allegations he has made about me. 

Steve Arnold
of  "Meteorite Men"





In a message dated 8/12/2009 3:27:14 P.M.  Central Daylight Time, 
mike at meteoriteguy.com writes:
Steve, since you want to  make things more public, start by explaining your 
side of this:

Mani vs  Arnold

Bexar County District Clerk

Bexar County  Courthouse

100 Dolorosa Street, 1st Floor

San Antonio, TX  78205-3002

75 page lawsuit for theft and fraud.

I am sure with  pending litigation you won't wish to do that though.


Why is it that  you pound on people with your contracts, such as when you 
cried about people  raiding your Admire strewnfield, yet your contracts are 
worth less than the  paper they are printed on. Tell people why you have paid 
the landowners nothing  in Admire, so you are now kicked off of most of 
that land and other people have  taken over the hunt. 
Tell people how your 8 in 8 contracts went, 3 years  overdue now. Tell 
people how you have traded off 100 kilo Brenhams for mars  rocks and not paid 
the landowners a penny.  

I am curious about  another thing, in your meteorite men show, which 
promenantly shows an Admire  strewnfild map (very very smart move there) it shows 
prices of 100 kilo Brenham  pallasites as $125,000 value.
Yet you publicly on this meteorite list try  selling the same meteorites of 
even higher weights for $10,000, a 92% discount  not even taking into. That 
is what I call a scam. 
You have spread this  massive value to the world on your show, incredible 
inflated and unrealistic  prices. Now all landowners are going to want 
$125,000 for a 100 kilo meteorite.  All collectors are going to have to pay more 
for new finds since you convinced  the public they can all become 
millionaires. 
You are destroying this  business by ripping off landowners, and inflating 
prices to the public which are  so far from true it isn't even funny 
anymore. I have spoken to people working in  Admire than they inform me that 
because you you and the bad feelings from the  landowners at not being paid in 
more than two years, hunters are not welcome on  many farms there anymore. They 
think we are all conmen.

How much of that  ebay Admire money is going to the investors who sunk more 
than $50,000 into your  hunts years ago and have received almost nothing 
back? If you clear these things  up, then there will be nothing to talk about. 

Michael Farmer