[meteorite-list] Carancas crater

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Why would anyone consider the Carancas impact a " Pit " ? Never heard of  impact pits on the moon. Heard of impact pits on SA's. 
The crater is " non - meteoritic " That doesnt make any sense.  Are you suggesting that something other that the meteorite created the crater ? Please elaborate on that quote. 
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> I did not realize that the website you listed was the
> definitive and final place which determines craters vs
> pits. It seems that some of the top scientists in the
> world think that it is a crater, perhaps you should
> enlighten them.
> Carancas is a crater, and I am not sure:), but I do
> believe that the impact of a meteorite created it,
> thus, I am still confused, but would that not tend to
> suggest that it is meteoritic? Adam, I think
> regardless of whether it is a common chondrite, the
> simple fact that it exists forces science to
> re-calculate its models for impact craters by
> chondrites. So Carancas is extremely important. I
> forsee papers written about Carancas for decades.
> There will be no roof built, the crater is already
> mostly destroyed (as I predicted that it would be,
> thanks to those of us who went there, at least some
> material was preserved).
> Michael Farmer
> 
> --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Mike and List Members,
> > 
> > To me, Carancas produced an "impact pit" which is a
> > form of crater. I will concede the point that it is
> > also a crater by other definitions, just not
> > meteoritic.  The Sikhote Alin event also produced
> > several impact pits that were described as such
> > further constraining the meteoritic definition of an
> > impact crater. 
> > 
> > Here is a great reference site that clearly defines
> > crater sizes of 5-20 meters as "impact pits". 
> > Carancas only produced a 13 meter mud hole squarely
> > defining it as a pit. 
> > 
> > http://www.somerikko.net/old/geo/imp/listinfo.htm
> > 
> > Pretty soon, the Carancas impact pit it will be no
> > more than a depression in the ground with urine,
> > fecal
> > matter and trash in it. Not to forget, a $90,000.00
> > roof will be added on top of a rotted out and the
> > most
> > common type of ordinary chondrite in existence at
> > the
> > bottom. 
> > 
> > All the best,
> > 
> > Adam
> > 
> > 
> 
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