[meteorite-list] Was: Meteorite novels -gifts II New Topicstitle- Meteorites and Archaeology

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi, Dirk, Doug, List,

    That "timeline" is a great URL, a very detailed
account of Dene history (and lots more); the source
is from the documentation of one of the Dene lawsuits,
so you know anything that could questioned by
anybody was omitted. The earliest tree ring dates
show the period 1350-1390 AD for settled structures.
That implies an earlier entry into the area. "Intruders,"
"invaders," or new folk generally have to "invade" first,
then settle; you don't build a house until you're secure
in the area, so the "intrusion" date would be 1300-1350
AD. There was a major drought in the area in the years
preceeding 1347 AD, at which time a number of major
Pueblo communities were abandoned. By 1500, the
Dene were settled in for a century or so.

    I know an anthropologist once who used to sing a
song entitled, "How Them Athabascan Bastards Made
The Great Pueblos Fall," to the tune of "The Wabash
Cannonball." Like most made-up songs, it had a great
many verses, few of which are printable in this forum.
Wish I could remember them.

    Basic Rule of the 21st Century: you can find ANY
THING you want on the Internet:
http://archaeology.about.com/cs/entertainingarcha/a/athabastards.htm
    These verses are fairly sedate...

    And, completely off-topic, the analysis of Aztec
history and politics on that "timeline" URL is brilliant.
The Aztec homeland was supposedly in the nothern
area, but since the Aztecs burned and re-wrote their
own history for propaganda value, little is certain.

    A good source on Casas Grandes is:
http://www.desertusa.com/ind1/ind_new/ind13.html
    No mention of the meteorite, though.

    Another good referrence that you can't get to:
"The Worship and Folk-Lore of Meteorites," by
Farrington (1900):
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0021-8715(190007%2F09)13%3A50%3C199%3ATWAFOM%3E2.0.CO%3B2-3

    No URL, Doug, just the referrence:
MONNIG O.E. (1939):  "HOW THE CASAS GRANDES,
CHIHUAHUA, MEXICO, METEORITE GOT TO
WASHINGTON D.C.," Popular Astron. 47, pp. 152-154.



Sterling K. Webb
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Dear Doug,
  You mentioned the Navajo.  The Dene (Navajo) didn`t
arrive New Mexico and the American Southwest until
around 1500AD; and it has been proposed that the
demise of the Puebloan (Casas Grande) culture MAY have
been contributed to by their arrival.

http://www.lapahie.com/Timeline_to_1491.cfm

  Casas Grande pre-dates their arrival.  You may do a
Web search for more information beyond this link:

http://whc.unesco.org/pg.cfm?cid=31&id_site=560

  Best, Dirk...Tokyo