[meteorite-list] Handling rust problems after buying Irons

[Matthias Bärmann]

As the seller-buyer-relationship seems to be of some interest I compiled a
little manual for buyers - to be completed, changed, destroyed, as you want.
Above all: not to be taken too seriously!

Best, Matthias




The TEN COMMANDMENTS for buyers


I

Pray daily for the health and the welfare of your SELLER!



II

If your SELLER wants you to buy a piece from him: buy it!



III

Never discuss about the price; pay whatever your SELLER wants you to pay.
Immediately!



IV

Never desire your SELLER'S wi .. ... ahem, sorry, wrong paper ... ... If a
piece of your collection increases dramatically in value over the years:
give it back to your SELLER. He'll give you another one for it and makes you 
so
resistant against the diabolic mechanics of the market!



V

If the piece you bought disintegrates in tiny rusty fragments after a few
weeks: don't worry! Having the piece explode in your rooms would have been
even worse. So: praise your SELLER!



VI

If your SELLER asks for shipping as much as for the 3 kg. Gibeon you've just
bought from him and you haven't the money for both, shipping and the Gibeon:
pay only the shipping and be sure that keeping the Gibeon will make your
SELLER HAPPY!



VII

Your Last Will should always include your SELLER as the heir (^^) of your
collection!



VIII

If you meet your SELLER in Munich, Tucson, Ensisheim or elsewhere: don't
hesitate to invite him to the best restaurant there; ordering the most
expansive wine will make your SELLER SMILE!



IX

Make good use of Christmas, Easter, Birthday etc. and offer nice presents to
your SELLER; be sure he'll accept. For that it's not necessary to sell the
farm, half the farm will be sufficient (for the moment)!



X

Your SELLER is your SELLER and you'd not have anyone besides him, except of
other SELLERS; BUT: never compare!







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MexicoDoug" <MexicoDoug at aim.com>
To: "Matthias Bärmann" <majbaermann at web.de>;
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Handling rust problems after buying Irons


> Hi Matthias,
>
> I am very saddened to hear of the problems you experienced with your
> Morasko specimens you bought at auction from that Seller.  The comment
> about your Nantan never rusting is odd with Morasko rusting, making this a
> curiousity - though I'm sure it is frustrating to no end to see your
> beautiful meteorites rusting away.
>
> I just have two comments,
>
> First, did your Morasko have fissures along the crystal bountries as is
> common due to high impact shocking in that iron?  This probably could play
> havoc if not properly cared for if dunked in tap water especially and not
> dried...and not all Morasko are equally fissured.  If it did exhibit this
> natural condition, was this illustrated in the photos for you, or is there
> evidence it was purposefully occulted?  Then you'd have a case of fraud.
>
> Second, could you kindly share the "obscure treatment" the Seller
> suggested with us?  That way when you make your complaint public we can
> all judge for ourselves better what is happening and it would be much more
> effective IMO. Plus, I'm sure listmembers would love to know of a
> potentially different treatment out there being used on that locality - I
> would!
>
> I wish you good luck with the Seller, any time a meteorite rusts it's not
> only a loss for the owner, but for humanity as well.  It would be helpful
> if preparation was not used as a competitive advantage of dealers.  This
> is one of the aspects of commercialization of meteorites I really find
> revolting. In a perfect world where meteorites come first, Sellers should
> be required to say exactly how the meteorite is prepared or what it is
> exposed to.  And Sellers should be more responsible to conserve and
> provide this information even before asking more mundane things like TKW
> 's since TLC beats that, and w/crust, since w/rust beats out that for
> importance to know...This is more than a labeling issue - it is a
> processing issue which directly affects the scientific and commercial
> value of the piece.  Off the soap box...
>
> Best wishes,
> Doug
>
> PS, it was sufficient to post the Seller's eBay ID, without his name.
> EBay policy is that posting in public name and ID after participating in
> auctions is not legal and more to the point with your problem, you
> probably loose some leverage with eBay taking punative action when there
> is a case to be made that the Seller has already answered you, no matter
> how lame or nice the Seller's sugestion.
>
> ref: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/identity-contact.html.  I don't
> make a big deal out of this since you can't reach over "with pleasure" and
> choke a seller, depending on how much hard earned $ is at stake, and maybe
> all you are really looking is to stike back at him after a negative
> transaction where you feel fooled. No further comment!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Matthias Bärmann
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:02 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Handling rust problems after buying Irons
>
>
> Hello list,
>
> I'ld like to ask whether anyone of you ever bought Morasko from
> ebay-seller starrymet (Lukasz Smula) and how his/her experience is until
> now. I did so, and my personal experience is not very good, unfortunately
> (although starrymet's ebay-feedback is excellent).
>
> I bought, step by step, 4 pieces: 2 individuals, 1 etched slice, 1 etched
> endpiece. They really were pretty when I received them, the etched pieces
> with marvellous Widmannstaetten pattern and even nice and delicate Neumann
> lines. I didn't hesitate to give very positive feedbacks. So far, so good.
>
> But it took only a few months and all 4 pieces began to rust, heavily,
> over and over. Meanwhile all of them have really dramatic rust-problems.
> And I need to underline: I never had such rusting on/in iron, not even
> with Nandan (!).
>
> I informed the seller about this problem and received only a quite
> lapidary answer, advising me to work with a (regarding my impression)
> pretty obsure chemical treatment. So I contacted the seller again, asking
> hin whether he'ld help me with a better solution or take the pieces back.
> But from now on I never received any reaction from him. I tried several
> times and finally informed him that, still remaining without any reaction,
> I'ld make the problem public - what I'm doing now, not with pleasure.
>
> Would also be interesting for me to know how the sellers of the list use
> to handle such problems.
>
> Thank you, best regards,
>
> Matthias Baermann
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