[meteorite-list] Sale: LUNARMETEORITE.COM Domain name forsaleonEbay

Sat Jun 17 21:47:46 EDT 2006

After reading this I now know that you have zero understanding of ebays 
policies and are just postulating to obviously protect Mike, for reasons I 
don't yet understand

Before you make the wrong assumptions about ebays policies please spend more 
time trying to understand them.

I have over 500 positive feedbacks and 2 negatives, both of which were from 
sellers in retaliation for negative feedback I posted to their account.

I have been rated as a Power Seller several times and I know the ins and 
outs of ebay.

Darren did nothing wrong in posting Mikes completed auctions, the 
information is readily available to anyone that uses ebay.

Mike sells most of his domain names cheap yet he asked a ridiculous price 
for LUNARMETEORITE.COM

Yet you think that is fine.

I would like to know who this Mike is so I can be sure to avoid him in the 
future.

Does anyone know who he is?

BTW: My name is David, not Bob, yet another incorrect assumption on your 
part.

Something to think about: If someone got away with selling child related 
pornography on eBay and if he had a 100% positive feedback rating would that 
make it ok???

----- Original Message ----- 
From: MexicoDoug at aol.com
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale: LUNARMETEORITE.COM Domain name 
forsaleonEbay

Bobadebt wrote:

Bob you appear to disagree with my post.  While I am sympathetic  to your
points and more so, to your morals, I shall defend my  rationale that you
publicly question which has nothing to do with moral views  and I intend to 
keep it
that way.

<<There is nothing in eBays rules about listing any sellers current 
auctions
at other venues such as forums and email  lists.>>

Probably right.  Keep in mind that the member  being defamed by harvesting
information from the eBay site and publishing  it in this public discussion
forum has 100% positive feedback  including HUNDREDS of distinct positives. 
How
common is 100%  feedback?  This guy is doing something right.  It seems his
alledged  "web-squatting" customers and suppliers are 100% satisfied. 
Please
reflect  on that.  Now he choses to advertise here and you would like to 
ignore
his eBay certified rating.  I think he is probably just a nice guy  trying 
to
find a way to make a few bucks in this cruel world, and is  probably excited
about selling as the next guy.  There are some real  bargains on his omain 
names
did you see?  He can claim he is being creative  and inventing names while
being derided as a cybersquatter and more importantly  worse terms  I won't
repeat.

On the other hand neither you nor the original alarmed poster have 
mentioned
ever doing business with this person yet you feel more qualified than  all 
of
those customers to libel the seller and drag the list through it like I  am
doing now in defending my point of view as a reflex.  You  confuse this 
issue
by discussing the legality of posting current  auctions.  That is an 
incorrect
description of this case.  The link  posted included the user's prior
auctions, which requires entering an eBay  userID and is not information 
available to
the general public.  Whether  posting the past auctions is against eBay user
rules or not is gray and would be  interpreted probably on a case by case 
basis
according to the EBay Community  Values.  It is prohibited for members to
copy, reproduce, modify,  create derivative works from, distribute, or 
publicly
display any content  (except for Your Information) from the Site without the
prior expressed written  permission of eBay and the appropriate third party, 
as
applicable; I think it is  clear, but I'll still say it is a "probable
violation" to be friendly.

<<The really important question is how did this "Mike" person access  this
list?  It obvious that he has no real interst in  meteorites.>>

NNNNNNNNNAAAAAAAA. (NO)  You ASSUME this.  He has purchased  meteorites 
since
at least five years ago from several respected dealers.   How does this
compare with your seniority as an aficionado?  That fact is  the only one I 
used to
base make all of my supportive comments and the only  really important
question.

<<I checked his completed auctions and he has sold other  meteorite related
web
sites and he has even stolen a picture from a real  meteorite dealer, check
out aution number 6636007627>>

Interesting.  What kind of feedback did he get?  This is an  attractive
assumption if we were in 16th century Spain.  While  it could prove true, 
we've
seen several instances on the list of gossip and  suspicions backfire on 
great
list members during momentary careless  lapses.  Why don't you advise the 
only
potentially injured  party and let them take appropriate measures, by 
reporting
it to the  owner of the image, rather than spamming the rumor mill where you
are  jumping to defamatory conclusions?

<<So some people should  re-direct thier anger in the proper direction.>>

I don't know if you are referring to others with this comment, but you
replied to my post.  Such is life, many individuals disagree and some take 
the
disagreements pesonally by attaching phantom emotions and then we  rumble. 
You
say tomato and I say jitomate (xictomatl).  Of course,  I'm right:-), but 
I'm
anything but angry.  And I think others have the  right to express a bit of
outrage for being subjected to so much redundant  profanity at once on the 
list
as was so agressively posted.  And then we  get back to the point made by a
sage poster on why so many valuable list members  have left the current 
pirhana
infested list.

Saludos and my respects, Doug

-----  Original Message ----- 
From: MexicoDoug at aol.com
To:  meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:44  PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale: LUNARMETEORITE.COM Domain name
forsaleonEbay

Sterling and Rob voted:

<<the seller  had already posted to the List. In other words,  D-----
took the effort  to check into the seller's practices
and provide a  warning with the  interests of List
members in mind, as a community service,  and
for  their benefit.>>

Just a personal thought and no more, Rob and  Sterling: Imagine ... if
"public service" and public servants you defend  stopped, since such
trolling for
skeletons has its consequences as does  the invasion of privacy,  both for
the
poster and for the health and  dynamics of the  list.  Discretion may not be
encouraged for  posting but life  would be so nice if people would consider
it  more
often.

The only potential illegality I see is that the follow up  poster may have
used his eBay ID to hunt witches, found a few, judged them  and executed
sentence, and in the process most probably violated his eBay  user agreement
by
publishing them in the public web archives.  I  must vote overwhelminglyn
for Walt
and John and thank them for their  mature and attempt at discrete posts  vs.
the others I have seen for  those who thought this issue was dead after the
initial incursion into the  seller's privacy.

Sincerely yours,
A concerned Sucker for  meteorites
Doug

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