[meteorite-list] Re: New Lunar? New Continent

Wed Feb 1 09:28:27 EST 2006

Ken, Actually I read the entire thesis back in November and wrote to the 
Faculty about the importance of this work if it were indeed genuine.  The thesis 
is quite clear, that there is much work remaining to be done, which is also 
mentioned in the promotion of the material, so technically, until something 
further is published in this material...well you know...  It appears that it is a 
real thesis, the small university exists, but the dean nor advisor didn't 
bother to answer me back about my concerns.

Saludos, Doug

Ken escribe:

<< Asunto:   Re: [meteorite-list] Re: New Lunar? New Continent
 Fecha: 02/01/2006 5:44:09 AM Mexico Standard Time
 From:  magellon at earthlink.net (ken newton)
 Sender:    meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
 To:    meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com

   In Nov 2004 the news of potential new Colorado lunar was published to 
 the List. Checking the chemical analysis  from the abstract 
 (http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2004AM/finalprogram/abstract_76183.htm)  
 Allan Treiman quickly alerted the List that there was a problem. (see 
 email below) Allan was right. Randy Korotev added that not only was it 
 not a lunar meteorite, "I suspect that this object is a piece of 
 industrial slag." 
 (http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/granada.htm) On one of 
 his websites, Neil Ray apologized for "for any misunderstanding or 
 confusion that my published abstract has brought about."  You would 
 think this would be the end of the matter, but it is not.

 Perhaps you have seen the eBay auctions "Chicxulub meteorite (0.xxx g) 
 comes with COA/ guarantee
 very rare, meteorite that wiped out the dinosaurs, NR!" (ex. 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6601599997)  Well 
 guess what? It is the same 'lunar' material (Granada) resurrected by Mr. 
 Ray to a new and more prosperous life. 

 Initially I wrote Mr. Ray about his use of the the term 'meteorite' in 
 his eBay auction title.  
 (http://home.earthlink.net/~ebaywrong/auction/Chicxulub.html ) He 
 refuses to change "Chicxulub meteorite" while at the same time admitting 
 it is not a meteorite? (more 'misunderstanding or confusion') I thought 
 he was legit,  and then I looked at his research conclusions. 
 (http://www.chicxulubmeteorite.com/) Making this short, I disagree with 
 his conclusions.

 And what would Allan Treiman have to say about the new theory? Well, I 
 asked him.  He said, "The simplest explanation, with the data I have, is 
 that Mr. Ray's rock is a piece of EAF slag." (EAF stands for Electric 
 Arc Furnace).
 best,
 Ken Newton
 IMCA #9632

 Treiman, Allan wrote:

 >Hi, Meteorite list -- 
 >
 >   From the data in that abstract, I'd be very cautious 
 >this rock. 
 >
 >   First, the data in the abstract are not consistent with
 >themselves. For isntance the rock is cited as 45% anorthite, 
 >but only 3.7% Al2O3. Anorthite contains ~36% Al2O3, so a 
 >rock that is 45% anorthite must contain at least 45% of 36% 
 >Al2O3, or 16% Al2O3. Only a factor of four off!!!
 >
 >   Second, the chemical analysis is far off any known a moon rock. 
 >It shows 26.15% SiO2, which is not even enough if the rock were
 >all olivine. The rock has 5.38% MnO, which is way more than any
 >lunar rock. An earth rock with that much MnO would be mined as 
 >ore! The analysis has CaO of 39.6%, which is way higher than 
 >any moon rock -- lunar anorthosite has ~19% CaO, and mare basalts 
 >have ~8-12% CaO. 
 >
 >   If it is lunar, its like nothing else.
 >
 >   Allan   
 >
 >
 >Allan H. Treiman
 >Senior Staff Scientist
 >Lunar and Planetary Institute
 >3600 Bay Area Boulevard
 >Houston, TX 77058-1113
 >   281-486-2117
 >   281-486-2162 (FAX)
 >
 >
 >-----Original Message-----
 >From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
 >[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of
 >Mikestockj at aol.com
 >Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:16 PM
 >To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; COMeteoriteClub at yahoogroups.com
 >Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: New Lunar? New Continent
 >
 >
 >Hi All
 >Just wanted to let the word out about the new possible Lunar meteorite. It 
is 
 >a 3200 gram beauty from.........and no it is not the dry deserts of Africa 
or 
 >Antarctica..... a little hint it's the first North American Lunar.....drum 
 >roll please....Colorado. How exciting is that. I guess it is good/lucky to 
be in 
 >Colorado (two achondrites in one year).
 >It is from Granada near Lamar for all of you Coloradans. That would be the 
 >south eastern side of the state near Kansas for everybody else or about 200 
 >miles SE of Denver.
 >Again it is only a possible Lunar.....but I'll keep you posted.
 >I have included an abstract to the upcoming Geological Society of America 
 >meeting in Denver about the meteorite.
 >
 >PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS OF A NEW ACHONDRITE (MARE BASALT?) OF POSSIBLE LUNAR 
 >ORIGIN FROM NEAR GRANADA, COLORADO, USA
 >
 >http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2004AM/finalprogram/abstract_76183.htm
 >
 >Time to go hunt......anyone want to go. Oops I'm half way there. :)
 >
 >Mike
 >
 >
 >Mike Jensen IMCA 4264
 >Bill Jensen IMCA 2359
 >Jensen Meteorites
 >16730 E Ada PL
 >Aurora, CO 80017-3137
 >303-337-4361 >>