[meteorite-list] Re: New Lunar? New Continent

Wed Feb 1 06:56:44 EST 2006

I no understand what waith Dr.Korotev to analyzed the
fake boggy creek lunar meteorite and close the mouth
to DeRusse and his fake infotmations...

Matteo

--- ken newton <magellon at earthlink.net> ha scritto: 

>   In Nov 2004 the news of potential new Colorado
> lunar was published to 
> the List. Checking the chemical analysis  from the
> abstract 
>
(http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2004AM/finalprogram/abstract_76183.htm)
>  
> Allan Treiman quickly alerted the List that there
> was a problem. (see 
> email below) Allan was right. Randy Korotev added
> that not only was it 
> not a lunar meteorite, "I suspect that this object
> is a piece of 
> industrial slag." 
>
(http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/granada.htm)
> On one of 
> his websites, Neil Ray apologized for "for any
> misunderstanding or 
> confusion that my published abstract has brought
> about."  You would 
> think this would be the end of the matter, but it is
> not.
> 
> Perhaps you have seen the eBay auctions "Chicxulub
> meteorite (0.xxx g) 
> comes with COA/ guarantee
> very rare, meteorite that wiped out the dinosaurs,
> NR!" (ex. 
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6601599997)
>  Well 
> guess what? It is the same 'lunar' material
> (Granada) resurrected by Mr. 
> Ray to a new and more prosperous life. 
> 
> Initially I wrote Mr. Ray about his use of the the
> term 'meteorite' in 
> his eBay auction title.  
>
(http://home.earthlink.net/~ebaywrong/auction/Chicxulub.html
> ) He 
> refuses to change "Chicxulub meteorite" while at the
> same time admitting 
> it is not a meteorite? (more 'misunderstanding or
> confusion') I thought 
> he was legit,  and then I looked at his research
> conclusions. 
> (http://www.chicxulubmeteorite.com/) Making this
> short, I disagree with 
> his conclusions.
> 
> And what would Allan Treiman have to say about the
> new theory? Well, I 
> asked him.  He said, "The simplest explanation, with
> the data I have, is 
> that Mr. Ray's rock is a piece of EAF slag." (EAF
> stands for Electric 
> Arc Furnace).
> best,
> Ken Newton
> IMCA #9632
>  
> 
> Treiman, Allan wrote:
> 
> >Hi, Meteorite list -- 
> >
> >   From the data in that abstract, I'd be very
> cautious 
> >this rock. 
> >
> >   First, the data in the abstract are not
> consistent with
> >themselves. For isntance the rock is cited as 45%
> anorthite, 
> >but only 3.7% Al2O3. Anorthite contains ~36% Al2O3,
> so a 
> >rock that is 45% anorthite must contain at least
> 45% of 36% 
> >Al2O3, or 16% Al2O3. Only a factor of four off!!!
> >
> >   Second, the chemical analysis is far off any
> known a moon rock. 
> >It shows 26.15% SiO2, which is not even enough if
> the rock were
> >all olivine. The rock has 5.38% MnO, which is way
> more than any
> >lunar rock. An earth rock with that much MnO would
> be mined as 
> >ore! The analysis has CaO of 39.6%, which is way
> higher than 
> >any moon rock -- lunar anorthosite has ~19% CaO,
> and mare basalts 
> >have ~8-12% CaO. 
> >
> >   If it is lunar, its like nothing else.
> >
> >   Allan   
> >
> >
> >Allan H. Treiman
> >Senior Staff Scientist
> >Lunar and Planetary Institute
> >3600 Bay Area Boulevard
> >Houston, TX 77058-1113
> >   281-486-2117
> >   281-486-2162 (FAX)
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>
>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On
> Behalf Of
> >Mikestockj at aol.com
> >Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:16 PM
> >To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com;
> COMeteoriteClub at yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: New Lunar? New
> Continent
> >
> >
> >Hi All
> >Just wanted to let the word out about the new
> possible Lunar meteorite. It is 
> >a 3200 gram beauty from.........and no it is not
> the dry deserts of Africa or 
> >Antarctica..... a little hint it's the first North
> American Lunar.....drum 
> >roll please....Colorado. How exciting is that. I
> guess it is good/lucky to be in 
> >Colorado (two achondrites in one year).
> >It is from Granada near Lamar for all of you
> Coloradans. That would be the 
> >south eastern side of the state near Kansas for
> everybody else or about 200 
> >miles SE of Denver.
> >Again it is only a possible Lunar.....but I'll keep
> you posted.
> >I have included an abstract to the upcoming
> Geological Society of America 
> >meeting in Denver about the meteorite.
> >
> >PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS OF A NEW ACHONDRITE (MARE
> BASALT?) OF POSSIBLE LUNAR 
> >ORIGIN FROM NEAR GRANADA, COLORADO, USA
> >
>
>http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2004AM/finalprogram/abstract_76183.htm
> >
> >Time to go hunt......anyone want to go. Oops I'm
> half way there. :)
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >
> >Mike Jensen IMCA 4264
> >Bill Jensen IMCA 2359
> >Jensen Meteorites
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> >303-337-4361
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