[meteorite-list] Kansas Legal Debate: Creation, Evolution and Intelligent...

[MexicoDoug at aol.com]

Regarding the "new theory of intelligent design"  that has suddenly become 
prominent in Kansas (or was it Ohio), JKG's statement,  of the "egg-first school 
of thought" whether unintentionally or not, can be  quite consistent with it, 
and isn't much different from the Intelligent Design's  principle argument: 
"How can such a complex thingy with a function spontaneously  form without 
external help".  

Saint Augustine, the middle 5th  century philosopher on creation first 
recorded in his ideas the "new theory of  intelligent design".  (Saint Thomas 
Aquinas in the 1200's added some  additional caveats)  It has been around for a long 
time and holds that a  great intelligence planted the seeds and reappeared as 
necessary to develop all  life forms.  Eggs, seeds, "simpliest forms", with 
the help of Earth, that  were developed into the zoo we have today.  Such a 
blanket statement of  "first" is inconsistent with evolution, however, as 
evolution holds the question  as irrelevant since mutations can happen during the 
reproductive stage creating  the fertilized egg first, or mutations can happen 
during development, especially  during earlier stages of cellular 
differientiation, or later stages after the  chick breaks out of the egg shell, in which 
case the "chicken" can be considered  first (such as altered DNA from incident 
solar radiation caused by a major  meteorite impact disrupting the atmosphere).

Luckily, when a theory is  proven irrelevant or unnecessary, it is usually 
license to drop it.  So the  generalized "chicken and egg" subject presents no 
problems to  evolutionists.

Additionally, Intelligent design is simply not a testable  theory and 
therefore is not part of the scientific method.  An untestable  theory which makes no 
predictions other than those that are already addressed  without adopting it, 
as any experienced PhD student can tell you is not a good  theory to take 
stock in.

Which hopefully leads us back to plain  creationism and plain evolutionism as 
two schools of philosophy to satisfy  humankind's souls but not to create 
dissent and wars...myself, I would be  satisfied to understand the process by 
which an ordinary chondrite forms,  hardens and then agregates, forms a 
concretion, and once again hardens, over how  time (in modern terms) days depending on 
where it travels in the primitive Solar  system and how energy is absorbed and 
transferred within  it...
Saludos

En un mensaje con fecha 05/13/2005 10:12:03 AM Mexico  Daylight Time, 
h3chondrite at cox.net escribe:
Just my personal belief here, but  I believe it was the egg that came 
first.  Life begins in it's simplest  form.
JKG

At 11:45 PM 5/12/2005, d freeman wrote:
>Ok, I bite,  which came first, the chicken or the egg?
>DF
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>>Mr. Gwilliam and List,
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>>because the question may also have the answer  within
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>>foolishness.
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