[meteorite-list] Some Images of the Randsburg California Iron

Tue Jun 28 04:27:51 EDT 2005

Dear Jörn,

I agree with most everything you stated.  It is too early in the game to
give absolute values before much more study is completed.  So far, the story
checks out on this particular meteorite and more importantly I still believe
most people are honest including the sellers of this meteorite.  Why would
somebody who does not even deal in meteorites make up such a story, use
accurate names of rock shops, people and locations, and then ask way below
market for even a common find?  I do not sense any fraud here.  If a CD was
somehow misrepresented forty years ago to the Randsdale Rock Shop owners I
could see this but not a Campo.  To me, it looks different than either a CD
or a Campo realizing that both are highly variable.  Checking out the
history of a particular piece is part of the treasure hunt not assuming that
everybody is out to cheat each other.

Kind Regards,

------------------------------------
Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
raremeteorites at comcast.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jörn Koblitz" <koblitz at microfab.de>
To: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at comcast.net>;
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 1:10 AM
Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Some Images of the Randsburg California Iron

Hello Adam,

I am far from judging on your new iron whether it is paired or not, but
silicate inclusions (better: silicate/graphite assemblages) are rather
common in Campo del Cielo. The average kamacite bandwidth is 3 mm, but as
usual for coarse to coarsest octahedrites, it varies a lot. What you see and
what you get also depends on how the iron was cut relative to the crystal
plane.

As you say, one has to wait for the chemical analysis.

Cheers,
Jörn

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
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> Auftrag von Adam
> Hupe
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Juni 2005 09:35
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Some Images of the Randsburg California
> Iron
>
>
> Matteo,
>
> Please do not judge all people by your standards.  Let the
> scientists do
> their jobs.  Since when have Winonaite inclusions been found
> in Campos?
> Since when has the Campo bandwidth doubled?  Please do not
> cheapen this
> meteorite with unfounded comments and I will continue to
> provide data as it
> becomes available.
>
> Regards,
>
> ------------------------------------
> Adam Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> Team LunarRock
> IMCA 2185
> raremeteorites at comcast.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <mcomemeteorite2004 at yahoo.it>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 12:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some Images of the Randsburg
> California Iron
>
>
> > is not the first time a meteorite is passed for a new
> > meteorite and after the analysis is confirmed is a
> > Campo del Cielo or other meteorite paired....I repeat,
> > the patterns its 100% the same of a campo del cielo,
> > strange this meteorite have silicated, type a Campo
> > del Cielo....
> >
> > Matteo
> >
> > --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at comcast.net> ha scritto:
> >
> >
> > > Matteo,
> > >
> > > What an insult! The only thing this meteorite has in
> > > common with a Campo is
> > > that it is a coarse octahedrite iron meteorite, a
> > > very well represented type
> > > of iron.  I was more concerned that it might be a
> > > transported Canyon Diablo
> > > at first but it looks completely different with a
> > > much courser pattern, even
> > > of greater bandwidth than that of a Campo. The good
> > > people who offered this
> > > meteorite have a perfect reputation, are not even
> > > known for selling
> > > meteorites and their story is verifiable.  Just
> > > because some meteorite
> > > dealers we all know are willing to pull a
> > > bait-and-switch and fake
> > > provenance doesn't mean honest folks will.  On top
> > > of that, not a single
> > > flake of iron shale fell off of this meteorite even
> > > after being transported
> > > half way across the US.  The weathering is more like
> > > that of a dry desert
> > > than that of a swampy Campo field find.
> > >
> > > If in doubt, check it out!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > > Adam Hupe
> > > The Hupe Collection
> > > Team LunarRock
> > > IMCA 2185
> > > raremeteorites at comcast.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites"
> > > <mcomemeteorite2004 at yahoo.it>
> > > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:42 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some Images of the
> > > Randsburg California Iron
> > >
> > >
> > > > The patterns are many similar to Campo del Cielo
> > > > slices I have sale years ago...are you sure this
> > > is
> > > > real a new iron meteorite and not a Campo del
> > > Cielo
> > > > pass for another meteorite?
> > > >
> > > > Matteo
> > > >
> > > > --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at comcast.net> ha
> > > scritto:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Dear List,
> > > > >
> > > > > For those who are interested, I finally got
> > > around
> > > > > to cutting the 40 pound
> > > > > iron meteorite that sat in the Randsburg Rock
> > > Shop
> > > > > for nearly four decades
> > > > > after being found in the Little Lake area lava
> > > beds.
> > > > > We took two cuts before
> > > > > it completely detoothed two bandsaw blades.  The
> > > > > blades become immediately
> > > > > worthless when they hit a weird somewhat
> > > symmetrical
> > > > > silicated area. You can
> > > > > see the large odd crystal shaped silicated area
> > > in
> > > > > the second image.  You
> > > > > can also see where it pushed the band aside and
> > > > > created a groove.   I have
> > > > > since received another blade I ordered last week
> > > in
> > > > > hopes of finishing the
> > > > > third and final cut.
> > > > >
> > > > > Image of meteorite being cut:
> > > > > http://themeteoritesite.com/RandsburgCut.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > Close-up showing silicated area:
> > > > >
> > > http://themeteoritesite.com/RandsburgCutCloseup.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > An overly done first etch showing a course
> > > pattern:
> > > > > http://themeteoritesite.com/RandsburgEtch.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > My guess is that this will be another coarse
> > > > > octahedrite, possibly a IAB
> > > > > with Winonaite inclusions.  The next step will
> > > be to
> > > > > check out the silicate
> > > > > inclusion(s) on a Microprobe.  The one I
> > > examined
> > > > > looks exactly like a
> > > > > Winonaite but that will not explain its
> > > crystalline
> > > > > shape or why the blades
> > > > > were destroyed.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will update as more research is completed,
> > > > > Take Care,
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > Adam Hupe
> > > > > The Hupe Collection
> > > > > Team LunarRock
> > > > > IMCA 2185
> > > > > raremeteorites at comcast.net
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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