[meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from herenow! Thank you! AD OT, OT AD.
j.divelbiss at att.net
j.divelbiss at att.net
Wed Aug 3 20:59:27 EDT 2005
An ingrown toenail??? Our problem is more like a goiter that needs lanced.
Art...do you need a scalpel?
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/search.aspx?q=goiters
Dave A, I just may be right behind ya.
JD
-------------- Original message from "Martin Altmann" <Altmann at Meteorite-Martin.de>: --------------
> Hi Captain, John, Sterling,
> perhaps John wanted to express that what,
> I guess, Laotse said:
> An ingrown toenail can suck more than a broken leg.
>
> Planet Buckleboo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael L Blood"
> To: "Sterling K. Webb" ; "Meteorite List"
>
> Cc: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" ; "DNAndrews"
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from herenow!
> Thank you!
>
>
> > John, Sterling and all,
> > John, first I would like to mention that I am "selective" in
> reading
> > what is posted to the list. I delete almost all posts that start with "AD"
> > and those from the Italian Scallion (he who must not be named), and
> > those that are on a string that does not interest me. That is the majority
> > of the posts. However, John, I never fail to read yours, as I respect you
> > and what you have to say. That does not mean I always agree with you,
> > of course.
> > In this particular instance, while I would dearly love to never
> see
> > he who must not be named allowed to post, his "skill" at worming his
> > way around the various technological ins and outs and changing his
> > name and such combined with total shamelessness in not accepting his
> > banishment from the list make it inevitable that I will see his current
> > "signature" on posts to the list. Furthermore, to my utter astonishment,
> > I will have to see people I otherwise respect respond to his posts!
> > Well, John, if I have to stomach that, and I do, perhaps that goes
> > some way in explaining why I have such a hard time taking seriously
> > the perplexing - and what I now find humorous, uproar over Chicago!!!
> > Steve. How can anyone take that situation seriously? (PLEASE do not
> > respond to such a clearly rhetorical question! I have read, and read and
> > read endless posts justifying the resentment, blaming and outright
> > hatred directed at the misguided one - that, too, has reached the point
> > I only find it humorous.... nearly as much as the "Who's on first?"
> > routine).
> > Now, as for ADs.... I gotta agree with you here, at least to the
> > point that they certainly have gotten completely out of hand. I try,
> > myself, to limit myself to one every couple of months - or, at most,
> > one a month. Others clearly see no problem with a few times a week,
> > and some of the "better suppliers" (such as Adam & Mike Farmer to
> > name just two) are among them. Well, I just use the ol' delete key if I
> > am not in the mood to check them out. It does, however, grow tedious
> > just seeing the seemingly endless posts of "I have such and such on
> > eBay...." over and over and over, and "Only a few hours left!" etc. I find
> > these far more annoying than ads by Chicago!!! Steve, which are at least
> > droll.
> > Anyway, ya, I would like to see the list rule on ads shifted
> slightly
> > to limit it to one a month per person - but all & all, the bottom line is
> > Art has done one hell of a job with this list and if he tweeked it every
> > time someone said he "aught to" the list would long ago transformed
> > into something far less meaningful that it is today and always has been.
> > Not to get too corny here, but it is a little like the the
> > constitution - I may not like some of what I see going on in the US - and
> > frequently resent a good deal of it, especially some of the presidents
> > who are elected - but I believe it was Winston Churchil who said,
> > "Democracy is the worst form of government there is....except every
> > other form of government." So, while this list is not a democracy, it
> > is run by Art and throughout the years he has kept it as good as it is.
> > I doubt anyone would accuse him of being over reactive or quick on
> > the trigger, but look at what happened in a matter of minutes (not even
> > hours, let alone days) when the meteorite "blog" was started!
> > So, while I occasionally would like to see Art tweek things this
> way
> > or that, (and I do) I none the less must take off my hat to him and his
> > wisdom in maintaining a list where the worst thing I have to do is ignore
> > the Italian Scallion and any ADs I don't care to read and am free to
> > likewise ignore any strings (or individual posts) I do not find
> interesting.
> > I do find it distressing when members of your stature mention they
> > are considering leaving the list because they can no longer tolerate the
> > conditions listed above. I just don't get it. I DO understand this
> sentiment
> > when there are mud slinging wars going on and I have seen them all. They
> > are not pretty and that is where I have always seen Art take action and
> > banish people involved - most particularly if they are vicious and/or
> > use obscenity - but over the misguided one? Or over ADs? Come on, man,
> > get a grip!
> > Sure, write Art and suggest an AD ban, or 1 AD per person per
> month,
> > or whatever..... even suggest banishment of The Misguided One, if you so
> > choose..... but resign the list because you can't control yourself and
> must
> > read every post instead of ignore and/or delete? I just don't get it.
> > Best wishes, Michael
> >
> >
> > on 8/3/05 1:04 AM, Sterling K. Webb at kelly at bhil.com wrote:
> >
> > > But...
> > > The problem is: what is an offense, and how big of an offense is it,
> and
> > > what should be done, and so forth. One can always argue about what
> offends,
> > > and
> > > it's different for everybody.
> > > As for arguing about an offense, the List seems capable of doing that
> on its
> > > own just fine! Mr. Arnold #2 has generated more emails than he ever
> sent.
> > > Assigning responsibility for that, objectively, is murky.
> > > My guess is that a moderator that attempted to make those fine
> distinctions
> > > for every email that offended somebody would soon be living on black
> coffee
> > > and
> > > hiring a staff of full-time arbiters working in shifts around the clock.
> Soon
> > > they would be setting up a coffee IV station, and... Well, it'd probably
> get
> > > out
> > > of hand.
> > > I join the ranks of those who say and who have said before, if you
> don't
> > > like an email, you know where to sent it, which big red button to push.
> Just
> > > flush. Imagine that DEL stands for "DELiver to Hell," and you'll feel
> good
> > > when
> > > you do it.
> > > The secret of life, the Trafalmagorians told Billy Pilgrim, is to
> remember
> > > all the good stuff and to forget all the bad stuff. My Grandfather said
> much
> > > the
> > > same thing. A similar principle applies to email. I like the variety,
> and use
> > > the button (but not enough), both.
> > >
> > > Sterling ("13,926 messages in my Inbox") Webb
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > JKGwilliam wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dave and List,
> > >> I know how you feel Dave. But, while I see Steve Arnold #2 as being a
> > >> substantial problem on the List, he isn't the only problem.
> > >>
> > >> A couple of weeks ago I sent a personal email to Art expressing some of
> my
> > >> own frustrations and told him I was thinking about leaving the List.
> What
> > >> I'd really like to see is for the Meteorite List to regain it's focus
> on
> > >> meteorites and get rid of all of the "AD" posts including all of the
> > >> "reminders" about Ebay auctions along with all of the other "off topic"
> > >> posts. I know I'm not the only one who is frustrated because I receive
> > >> lots of commiserating private mail from people after I speak up like I
> did
> > >> early today. Maybe I should join ranks with my buddy Dave and take a
> stand
> > >> towards cleaning up the Meteorite List. Getting rid of a habitual
> offender
> > >> would be a good start.
> > >>
> > >> Does anyone else share my opinion or are you content to leave the list
> the
> > >> way it is?
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> JKGwilliam
> > >>
> > >> At 09:35 PM 8/2/2005, DNAndrews wrote:
> > >>> Art, please delete either I or Steve Arnold (Chicago!!!!) from this
> > >>> list. I will gladly be the "sacrificial lamb" in this case. I
> haven't
> > >>> missed a Tucson show in 8 years, but I think I'll be skipping it from
> now
> > >>> on in the future....thanks to SSteve. I have no desire to associate
> with
> > >>> this person there or anywhere else for that matter... either
> > >>> electronically or or in person. He has done nothing but damage "this
> > >>> great hobby of ours". If you choose me, I will be grateful as I won't
> > >>> have to open up and actually read all these messages that I delete day
> in,
> > >>> day out. I will still continue on my meteorite hunting trips and my
> true
> > >>> friends know how to get in touch me for those REAL meteorite hunts. To
> put
> > >>> it mildly, I'm sure some will be relieved to see me go.
> > >>> But, since SSteve came around, Tucson just isn't the same anymore.
> Some
> > >>> newbie buffoon that sez he's been around since 1999....yeah...right!
> > >>> Count me out. I mean it!
> > >>>
> > >>> So, you choose Art....SSteve or me....it won't really hurt me feelings
> if
> > >>> it is me. Really! (If I change my mind, I can just change my
> identity
> > >>> like Matteo anyways).
> > >>> Dave
> > >>>
> > >>> Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Good evening list.This is the 3rd time I have tried to post on
> yahoogroups
> > >>>> for meteorites,and nothing.I wish I new what the problem is.Anyway I
> have
> > >>>> added more items to my meteorite sale and will extend the half off
> till
> > >>>> sunday the 7th.Just go to my website and look under the sale
> pages.Sorry
> > >>>> for this, but I would like to know why my posts do not go thru on
> > >>>> yahoogroups.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> steve
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Illinois Meteorites,Ltd!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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