[meteorite-list] In defence of IMCA ISSUES

[David Freeman]

Dear Michael;
Consider what would happen if you had a mess going on.  Would you want a 
whole bunch of private things being broadcast all over the front page of 
the meteorite community?
You have been accused of some less than glorious events in your  past 
and I doubt that you would relish the broadcasting of that all over the 
internet.
Before you bitch too much about steve's issues, please ponder what it 
would be like to have skeletons from closets being dumped on to the 
world of meteorite collectors.  
I highly respect the posture of the IMCA not releasing a pile of 
personal issues about this action.
I think you should respect the decision in realizing they are honest 
people and accept that fact.   Nondisclosure of private issues in in my 
opinion, is commendable.   If steve wanted you to know all of the 
details, I am quite sure he would tell you too.  Think about that. 
 Maybe there are many that do not want you, or others to know these 
private issues.
Again, there are issues that all of us have that are better off not 
disclosed to the whole meteorite central list or the collectors list or 
the IMCA general membership.
Get off the soap box.
Dave Freeman


Michael L Blood wrote:

>Hi John,
>        I, too, received an email from Anne Black, listed as an IMCA post
>stating Chicago Steve was no longer a member, effective immediately.
>However, there was no explanation - nothing about his quitting, nothing
>about his ejection as a disciplinary action - and if so, for violation of
>what rule(s), etc. I considered this inappropriate (not necessarily such a
>dismissal, but failure to provide info on rules violation or the like).
>In fact, without this information, I felt it was so inappropriate as to
>approach the definition of "gossip." I find it quite disturbing for a
>body considering itself "official" to conduct itself in such a manor.
>        I wrote Steve, asking if he withdrew from membership or was
>ejected. Regardless, would he be willing to share with me his reason
>(if he left) or the reason given him if he was dismissed.
>        I was shocked to hear back from him that "some other people
>contacted me as well, asking the same question and I don't know WHAT
>is going on. This is the first I have heard of it.... " (this may not be the
>exact wording, as it was a phone message and I did not save the recording,
>but that is the exact content of his verbal response).
>        If Steve is being truthful, (and I have no reason to particularly
>doub that he is) I am now doubly concerned that this is how "business" is
>being conducted by this body and am beginning to have concerns about
>its organizational credibility, altogether.
>        Again, I am not debating whether or not Chicago Steve violated (a)
>rule(s) worthy of dismissal - my issue is the process I am witnessing.
>        Are others equally concerned?
>        Best wishes, Michael
>         
>
>
>on 4/10/05 5:59 AM, j.divelbiss at att.net at j.divelbiss at att.net wrote:
>
>>Hello all,
>>
>>What do we know here?
>>
>>Jans and I, and others read an email that said Sttttte.... was not a member of
>>IMCA anymore effective immediately.
>>
>>Two possibilities:
>>
>>1. Stttte.... quit.   (Jans interpretation)
>>2. Sttte... was canned, dropped, given the boot, fired, dismissed, let go,
>>banished, kicked out, etc.   (my initial reaction)
>>
>>What is the truth with the IMCA?  Someone knows...
>>
>>As for being threatened with bodily harm by the Meteoritepolice.  That is
>>Stttte..'s story sent to Jans.
>>
>>What is the truth in regards to this threat story? Two people know the truth
>>if there is such a person as Meteoritepolice.  And, are we going to believe
>>Sttte...'s story about Big Vito and a set of Campos tied around his ankles.
>>The truth is out there, but I doubt we know it yet.
>>
>>5 more days,
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-------------- Original message from "Jan Bartels" <jan at meteorieten.com>:
>>-------------- 
>>
>>
>>>Dear List, 
>>>
>>>I just found out what a great hobby we all have. Collecting meteorites,
>>>talk about it with so many friends and read all these great messages here
>>>on the list....fun!!
>>>
>>>Now i'm not such a wild type of person who wants to be involved with
>>>problems or all the nagging going on lately on this list but something has
>>>happened that really concerns me.
>>>I just read Steve Arnold has left the IMCA. Since i don't have any
>>>personal problems with Steve i contacted him and asked him what's going
>>>on. It seems someone is threaten him with bodily harm if things will
>>>continue the way they are. Someone who has "meteoritepolice" as his
>>>mailing adress is sending this message as it seems. Now this is really
>>>getting sick!! If all this is true where is this all going to????? So many
>>>times i read the rubbish of others on this list and who are just getting
>>>away with it,even when they have been told to leave the list and/or the
>>>IMCA by so many members and still nothing happens. Now we start to use
>>>violence!!??....sick....really...sick!!
>>>I know Steve has made mistakes. I have seen many others made so many
>>>more..... 
>>>
>>>For the real ones....happy collecting!!
>>>Jan 
>>>
>>>
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