[meteorite-list] RE: Take look at what the BCC Lunar.

[Pekka Savolainen]

Yap, I did.

pekka s


McomeMeteorite Meteorite wrote:

> mistake, I not have write to Schoner, others have write to him...
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>> From: "S. Ray DeRusse" <srd at ispwest.com>
>> To: meteorites at hotmail.com,  meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Take look at what the BCC Lunar.
>> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:05:17 -0600
>>
>> Greetings List;
>>
>> Matteo wrote an eamil to Steve Shoner asking him what is this? And 
>> Steve Shoner asnswered in part.
>>
>> What is this ????
>>
>> As far as I remember I made no agreement with Ray
>> DeRusse other than to trade a sample of Takysie Lake
>> for some of his so called "stellar grains."  I have
>> made no conclusion on these samples, nor at this time
>> do I intend to do any work with these as to ascertain
>> what they are.
>>
>> This is not exactly correct. (I will find his emails ).I did make two 
>> trades with Steve, however I never asked him to test or determine 
>> what the stellar grains were in the slide, never. That has been 
>> determined and I sent them to him as a novelty and a trade. He sent 
>> me two samples of Takysie Lake and we determined that indeed one 
>> sample was consistent with the information in the MAPS article and 
>> the other was chemcially an augite rich lunar microbreccia. He sent 
>> me a long long email basically in distress saying he and Ninninger 
>> were convinced it was lunar but that the "scientists" in Arizona 
>> would not look at it again. Somewhere I have copies of these emails. 
>> But let it be known that we never asked him to identify anything for 
>> us. Why would ask him to do something for us that we can do 
>> ourselves? That makes no sense. Now having said this about this trade 
>> with Shoner, if any of you think that Mr. Shoner did not grab that 
>> slide and run to the lab to look through a microscope and examine the 
>> stellar grains, you are out in lala land. If you think scientists in 
>> Arizona have not looked at our material, you are out in lala land. No 
>> reasonable person and certainly no prosecutor is going to believe 
>> that our sample to Steve Shoner has been sitting idle somewhere.
>>
>> As far as Badolotti recieving a lunar sample for free he's not the 
>> only one that has a sample. Matteo keeps harassing Badalotti and us 
>> and everybody. If Matteo wants a sample he can ask Francesco 
>> Badolotti and if Badalotti wanst to give him some that is OK with us. 
>> We sent a sample to Badalotti because of his devotion to the lunar 
>> science and the Moon, he deserves it.
>>
>> Now to Dr. Tanuki or whatever you call yourself. You write;
>>
>> What is this person`s point?  If he has scientific data? on his 
>> "lunar"and "other" material, why does`t he present it and be quiet 
>> instead of attacking scientists and their real research?  To attack Dr.
>> Rubin, the fine scientists in Texas, Mike Farmer, Matteo and Steve 
>> Schoner is counter-productive and completely uncalled for.
>>
>> I don't know where you have been, but we have never launched an 
>> attack against anyone first. Some of the idiots on the list and there 
>> are many, have launched unwarranted attacks on us first. We responded 
>> with an equal measure of force. You're very right it is counter 
>> productive to attack scientists, if it is warranted.
>> If I have made claims against any scientist it is sustainable by a 
>> direct or indirect body of evidence and it is not a big secret that 
>> if you engaged in scientific misconduct fraud and abuse against us 
>> we're coming after you until we receive satisfaction. Because we are 
>> not going to allow abuses against us under some sort of cloak of 
>> authority, by a "scientist". If I were them, I would come clean long 
>> long ago because now the Federal Government has a bigger clean up job 
>> to do and believe me they working on it and we are woking with them.
>>
>> Finally to Matteo, an honorable mention, you need to get real about 
>> asking NASA, JPL, JSC or Alan Rubin, any scientist, or whoever to 
>> shut us down. Aside from server problems we are having, we're not 
>> going anywhere. The reason for this is that its too late for them. 
>> Based on the stack of documents I just sent out by a federal request. 
>> We are under the cloak of authority and protection by certain 
>> governmental agencies. The people you keep asking to help you would 
>> be better off finding a small dark, quiet corner, to pray.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> S. Ray DeRusse,
>>
>> www.bccmeteorites.com
>>
>>
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