[meteorite-list] Legality of Libyan Desert Glass Artifacts Discussion Continued

Nicholas Gessler gessler at ucla.edu
Fri Jun 11 14:15:34 EDT 2004


Keith,

Don't be so quick to twist what I and others said to fill your needs.

It is also naive not to know the difference between "de facto" and "de jur."
That is all that most of the people posting were pointing out.
"De jur" does not necessarily guarantee the conservation of 
anything.  There are many cases I and others could site where culturally 
important artifacts and scientifically important information have been 
destroyed as a result of the adherence to the "letter of the law."
There is a higher standard than "de jur."

My observation was a simple fact and made from the perspective of having 
been a practicing archaeologist, museum curator, and repatriator of many 
significant artifacts over three decades.  For a repatriation effort to be 
credible, it must be focused on something culturally significant and the 
repatriating country must show some credible interest in it and guarantee 
both its safety and conservation.  Yes, the study of LDG flakes and blades 
might well be worthy of archeological investigation.  If so, then start the 
research project, let everyone know what theories you are investigating, 
and you will probably get help from many people with pieces of LDG detritus 
in their collections.  I would guess that much more scientific and cultural 
research has been undertaken on LDG outside of Libya and Egypt than LDG 
remaining inside of Libya and Egypt.  So correct me if I'm wrong.  The 
attempt to repatriate what is cultural detritus only detracts from the 
serious conservation and research efforts of UNESCO, ICOM and the like...

Not all artifacts are of equal significance.  If we accept as an artifact 
"anything made or modified by man," trails, deserts and the current climate 
can be considered as artifacts too...  Charcoal from a fire pit?  You only 
need one piece to do a C14 date - usually the others are discarded.  Iron 
artifacts?  Important in studying culture change in early contact sites.  I 
have it on authority that they have been thrown out as a fire hazard from 
otherwise reputable archaeological institutions.

As for your argument, and your "condensation" of what I and others have 
said, it is your logic that is bankrupt not their postings.  Picking an LDG 
flake up off the shifting sandy desert floor, where it might not otherwise 
be seen again is not like stealing a stereo from a car.  If you want to 
make a valid analogy to finding an LDG flake in the desert, then it should 
be "picking up a stereo from the side of a road where it had been 
discarded."  If you want to make a valid analogy to stealing a car stereo, 
then it should be "stealing a piece of LDG from a museum or private showcase."

Enough false morality,
Nick





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