[meteorite-list] Pellisson,the best of hypocrisy

Wed Dec 8 12:29:12 EST 2004

Mr Pellissons,

we finally found the way of emailing directly to the list... we don't

hide anywhere and don't have to answer that kind of small remarks...

A lot of people would like YOU to answer these questions :

-Didn't you use names and parts of private mails to try to convict the Judge
that meteorites have a link with Al Queda ?

-The 9 march of this year (the day you have been sentenced guilty by Lyon's
Court)
didn't you send to major medias
a 64 pages document of lies involving half of the scientists and collectors
(you must have spend a whole month to invent that !)

-Didn't you contact the Interior's Minister and Court des Comptes as well as
Customs offices ?

-You're stating that nothing is illegally done front of the Court, but your
attorney

present part of mails out of context where you are 100% lying. You even
declared
in a big French's newspaper that BIN LADEN IN PERSON came to Morocco
to fix the details of the meteorite business .....

For all of this we have the papers in hands and Court statements !

You are involving just everybody and worst we know only the surface of the
iceberg, what else did you do that will hurt the others in the future ?

Answer these questions front of the people you are using to build
your lies !

Dear List Members, can you imagine the consequences of such declarations ?

They said that no scientists are publishing on NWA, that all scientists are
calling

NWA meteorite "bastard child". They are speaking in the name of the Nom
Com....

They did present themselves as scientists witch they are not,
they are speaking on the name of the entire community
but nobody ever give them this right.

We ask all of you to react NOW, because if you don't you will be stop at

Customs with the possibility to lose everything, in some countries some
could go

in jail and have your names link with terrorism in major medias and google,
tax people will

open files on ebay sales and money transfer... etc...

 What a great program, thank you to the pellissons your jealousy drive you
to the worst acts.

You can all do something, don't just wait and see: you can write a letter
that will tell the Judge

the truth on whom the pellison are. If you have in file mails or anything
from them

stating anything about Sahara meteorites, forward them to us as this

could be very helpful for establishing the Truth.

We all know that these are only lies but their false documents can convict

some people whom don't know anything about meteoritic, we saw some

journalists and Customs officers taking this very seriously. It's time

to stop these mad guys now and the only way is to use Justice.

You can write either publicly on this list or privately to this address:

lies-of-pellisson at meteorite.fr

Meteorite collecting is pointed out as the worst think but

History will retain who was in witch part of the fight.

Sincerely,

Bruno & Carine
La Memoire de la Terre Sarl
The Earth's Memory LLC
France
www.meteorite.fr
www.fossile.fr

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <SaharaTeam at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?

> Let us explain the French problem with B.  Fectay/C. Bidaut
>
> Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March  2004 for libel. It
is
> "only" a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut and  us to claim for
> damages.
> Now we are also claiming for damages against  them.
>
> It will take several months to the justice before to return a  verdict.
> As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in front of the court  :
> private emails are not admissible.
> And  "nobody" can be summoned to  appear in a civil action.
>
> All the remarks and all the publicity which  have been given to this
affair
> are the consequences of this civil  action.
>
> Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court  decided in our
> favor:
> "Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux  de découvertes des
> météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt  scientifique. La même
> légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur  le transport et
les
> opérations commerciales relatives à ces  météorites"
>
> We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish  that those
> interested by the subject will wait for the official  decision.
> And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to  write
> through N. Classen and not with his own email ?
>
>
> For those  who want to know more about us and our work on Saharan
> strewnfields, you can  browse our web pages:
> http://www.SaharaMet.com
>
> And our 2003 expedition  on Mauritanian  craters:
> http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/craters.html
>
> Best  regards,
> Richard and Roland Pelisson
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message  -----
> From: "Norbert Classen" <trifid at timewarp.de>
> To:  "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Cc: "La Memoire  de la Terre" <info at meteorite.fr>
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:38  AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite  hobby?
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'm forwarding this message on  behalf of Bruno & Carine.
> > They are having problems to post to the  list, and thus they
> > asked me for assistance. Please read  below.
> >
> > BTW, I believe their message to be of major importance  to
> > us all. We shouldn't allow a few rotten apples to spoil our
> >  hobby - so please read what Bruno & Carine have to say since
> > it  affects us all, and a few of us, more directly.
> >
> > If you want to  take action, please contact Bruno & Carine in
> > that matter. You may  reach them via: info at meteorite.fr
> >
> > Best,
> >  Norbert
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > Dear List  Members,
> >
> > this subject is of high interest as it will affect all  of us
> > including the scientists. What the Pellissons are doing is  just
> > unbelievable, they already did contact the French interior
> >  Ministry as well as the Customs offices in different countries.
> > They are  linking the meteorite community to terrorism in different
> >  ways.
> >
> > They did send to major medias a 64 pages document full of  crap
> > with parts of YOUR private and public mails to try to  establish
> > that nobody but themselves have the right to sell  meteorites!!
> >
> > Be aware than in a close future we will all have  problems shipping
> > or crossing borders with meteorites, thanks to  them!
> > Just try a Google search for "money for terrorism" and you will  get
> > straight to their page, listed in first place.... see it  here:
> >
> >  http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=%22money+for+terrorism%22&meta=
> >
> >  They are using metanames and cross linking
> > with pages about horrible  things just to attract interest on them.
> >
> > You all know that we  did bring them to court, they already have been
> > sentenced in emergency  during the last Tucson show. Now we are driving
> > them to serious things,  we received their list of pseudo arguments
> > from our  attorneys.
> >
> > Here is the list of the people they are involving in  front of the Judge
> > and the Lyon's Court (the second biggest in France),  they are using
> > parts of your public and private emails to try to explain  why
meteorites
> > (except of their own) are funding  terrorism.
> >
> > Warning: be aware that these documents are used to  prove that either
> > you 100% agree with them and support their ideas or  that you are
involved
> > in funding islamist networks......
> >
> >  Privates:
> > Mr Bernd Pauli
> > Mr Eric Twelker
> > Mr Art  Jones
> > Mr Alain Carion
> > Mr Michael Farmer
> > Mr Michel  Franco
> > Mr Aziz Habibi
> > Mr Nelson Oakes
> > Mr Bob  Verish
> > Mr Greg and Adam Hupe
> > Mr Tracy Latimer
> > Mr Luc  Labenne
> > Mr Dean Bessey
> > Mr Matteo Chinellato
> >
> >  Scientists:
> > Dr Zenda
> > Dr Grossman
> > Dr Barrat
> > Dr  Treiman
> > Dr Huss
> > Dr Gillet
> > Dr Jambon
> > Dr  Bunch
> > the whole Meteoritical Society
> > the AMNH of New  York
> > the MNHN of Paris
> >
> > And this is only a resume of the  thing, it would take days to translate
> > the horrors they are building. As  an example they are trying to explain
> > that the MNHN of Paris did send  Michel Franco to build a new network
> > for funding Al Queda and they sent  that to the French medias...
> >
> > What will be the next step? Child  abuse? Drug traffic? If we don't stop
> > them now be sure everybody will  get in trouble because of the wonderful
> > hobby we share:  meteorites.
> >
> > As your names and private emails have been used by  them in a public
> > court and have been transmitted to medias and Customs  offices
> > worldwide, you have the right to ask them a translated copy of  the way
> > they are using it, you can urge them by law to stop using your  names
and
> > mails too....
> >
> > We stay available if you need  further advices.
> >
> > Sorry to send such a terrible post, but the  community should be aware
of
> > what is going on.
> >
> >  Sincerely,
> >
> > Bruno & Carine
> > La Memoire de la Terre  Sarl
> > The Earth's Memory LLC
> > France
> >  www.meteorite.fr
> > www.fossile.fr
> >
> >
> > ----- Original  Message -----
> > From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey at yahoo.com>
> >  To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday,  November 24, 2004 6:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SaharaMet  Expedition on meteorite impact
> > craters
> >
> >
> > > This  is from the pellison guys who says terrorists are
> > > being supported  by you meteorite buyers.
> > > In court in France my own name was used in  French
> > > court along with my postings to this list as  evidence
> > > that I stated terrorists were being supported by  our
> > > meteorite buys.
> > > Now I ask every member of this  list? Where in the
> > > archaives do I provide evidence that Al Quada  is
> > > supported by our buys? This is pure fabrication and
> > >  efforts to drive everybody else out of the desert. I
> > > havent seen  the court document but I suspect they have
> > > taken some of the  moronic fights about exporting
> > > meteorites illegally from morocco  that me, farmer, the
> > > hupes and others have sadly gotten involved in  in our
> > > efforts to claim that "My meteorites are better than
> >  > your meteorites" (Yes, I am as guilty as anybody in
> > > this "My  meteorites are better than your meteorites"
> > > crap even though it is  not possible to illegally
> > > export meteorites from morocco because  there is no law
> > > in morocco saying that you cant do it - go to  your
> > > local moroccan embassy if you want confirmation of
> >  > what I am saying here).
> > > My suspicion is that they took things  out of context
> > > and misquoted what was said taking things out  of
> > > context.
> > > So lets see, we have a dealer who is known  to have
> > > deliberately misquoted other people and lied about
> >  > what was said in postings. We know that the pelissons
> > > are  people with no scruples and have no hessitation
> > > about lying. If  they willingly lie in court imagine
> > > what they would tell meteorite  collectors. Tell me, is
> > > this the type of person that you would buy  a meteorite
> > > from? They lied at least twice. How do you know  that
> > > they are not lying when they tell you that they never
> >  > bought a NWA in morocco from aid mohammad and instead
> > > of  selling it for 20 cents a gram like I would do if I
> > > bought a NWA  from aid mohammad, they offer it to you
> > > at $2 a gram as their own  find? They lied once in a
> > > very orchastrated court fraud and made up  a story that
> > > meteorite funds are supporting terrorism.
> > >  Does known fakers really need three strikes to be out?
> > > If you pay  more than 15 cents a gram for a pellisson
> > > meteorite you are buying  something from people with no
> > > more trustworthyness than dealing  with a lot of the
> > > moroccans. The pellisons meteorites have no more  known
> > > about them than if you buy my 20 cent NWAs. You dont
> >  > know where they are from.
> > > And yes, I really am pissed off  because my name was
> > > used in french court in a fabricated court  case.
> > > Sincerely
> > > DEAN
> > >
> > > ---  SaharaMet <SaharaTeam at aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  >
> > > > A new page on our desert trips:
> > > >
> >  > >    - Mauritanian Sahara expedition
> > >  >    - Temimichat and Tenoumer impact craters
> > >  >    - panoramic views of the craters
> > >  >    (4000x650 pixels)
> > > >    -  impactites and shocked granitic rocks
> > > >    -  story of the journey
> > > >
> > > > Go to:
> > >  >
> > > >  http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/crater.html
> > > >
> >  > > Richard & Roland Pelisson
> > > > SaharaMet
> > >  > Sahara expeditions and great meteorite discoveries
> > > >  http://www.saharamet.com
> >
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