[meteorite-list] SaharaMet : Point of view on NWA meteorites

Sun Dec 5 11:28:56 EST 2004

Mr Pellison, do not try and turn this on me.
My email states quite clearly that the Pallasite in question was in 
Morocco/Western Sahara, NOT Algeria. I found pieces myself, dug them out of 
the ground with my own hands, that is enough proof for me that I found the 
correct site thank you very much.  I spent some hours in the nomads tent 
drinking bowl of camel milk and eating food that would make most people 
vomit. They did live near minefields, not in then, I have no idea why anyone 
would choose such a place, but then again, they have endured this for 
decades.
Are there terrorists in Algeria, YES, are there just as many terrorists in 
FRANCE? YES, since half of Algeria seems to live in Paris.
Your juvenile idea that anyone who gets something out of Algeria other than 
yourself is something only a complete idiot or a total megalomaniac would 
believe. Are you sniffing glue?
You try to cut and paste parts of emails together to prove your point.
Mr. Pellison, it is time for you to preach your mightier-than-thou BS to 
someone else, please leave this list since you contribute absolutely nothing 
to it.
Michael Farmer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <SaharaTeam at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 1:51 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] SaharaMet : Point of view on NWA meteorites

We have put this web page explaining the  situation of NWA meteorites for a
good reason  :
http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html

1) the  situation of terrorism is dramatic in Algeria and there is an open
link with  contraband. See these recent posts of Mike on the mailing with 
the
title :"Re:  [meteorite-list] news from Algeria" and "[meteorite-list] 
Algeria" :

>  Yep, things are getting a little scary out in Islamland.
> Why anyone  would go to Algeria I dont know. The Army of God terrorist
group
> is  still hacking people up there on a daily basis.

> Michel, are you  suggesting that massacres do not happen in Algeria? Tens
of
> thousands  are dead over the decade.
> I can pull up hundreds of articles on the  bombings, entire villages
murdered
> etc.
> Mike

2)  meteorites bought in Morocco are coming from Algeria, Libya and up to
Egypt for  their majority. It's the case of NWA 482 and 2046 of Mike for 
example.
And for  his recent trip, when we see that he has been driven right on the
Algeria border  to find the original seller... for us this seller seems 
coming
from Algeria  (nomads with their flocks don't live in a minefield... in the
other case, after  one week, there will be no more flock in live).

3) the potential for  meteorite prospecting in Morocco is very limited and
the border with Algeria is  officially closed since 1994. For protecting 
Morocco
from army groups coming  from Algeria there's a double wall of earth created
by bulldozer and mined : one  million mines !!!. It's a military place where
it's forbidden to go. It's what  Mike has described in his recent trip with 
the
title :
[meteorite-list]  Morocco new fall news

> .....That is
> when the Moroccans told  me that this was a military-only, prohibited 
> zone,
> and that we were not  allowed there! I of course got a little concerned
> (especially when we  saw several mine-fields. We were driving 
> cross-country
> at night with no  lights, only by full moonlight, (not a safe thing in an
old
> war zone  where mine-fields are still around).
> The next morning we arrived at the  tent of the nomad who found the
> pallasite. He led us there, over the  berm and military fighting
emplacements
> to the site, Algeria was only  about 2 kilometers away.......Mike"

So read our web page, you will see  that it contains lots of things that
dealers have still noticed. But it's sure  that for us meteorites are also a 
world
patrimony which could be protected under  the UNESCO laws  :
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2001/pdf/5150.pdf

Just for  comparison : 20 kg of Martian meteorites have been discovered in
hot desert by  systematic prospectors who share full documentation, photos, 
GPS
localization...  and only 3 kg have been discovered by NWA approach.
Coordinates are important to  find paired specimen, a world patrimony is 
lost.

Richard and Roland  Pelisson

--- SaharaTeam at aol.com wrote:

> Let us explain  the French problem with B.  Fectay/C.
> Bidaut
>
> Bruno  Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March
>  2004 for libel. It  is
> "only" a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut
> and   us to claim for
> damages.
> Now we are also claiming for damages  against  them.
>
> It will take several months to the justice  before to
> return a  verdict.
> As you can imagine, nothing is  illegally done in
> front of the court  :
> private emails are  not admissible.
> And  "nobody" can be summoned to  appear in a  civil
> action.
>
> All the remarks and all the publicity  which  have
> been given to this affair
> are the consequences  of this civil  action.
>
> Regarding our web page on NWA  meteorites, the French
> court  decided in our
> favor:
>  "Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux
>  de  découvertes des
> météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt
>  scientifique. La même
> légitimité doit être reconnue pour les  discussions
> sur  le transport et les
> opérations  commerciales relatives à ces  météorites"
>
> We hope that  everybody can return to his passion.
> And we wish  that  those
> interested by the subject will wait for the official
>   decision.
> And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why
> does  he needs to  write
> through N. Classen and not with his own email  ?
>
>
> For those  who want to know more about us and  our
> work on Saharan
> strewnfields, you can  browse our web  pages:
> http://www.SaharaMet.com
>
> And our 2003  expedition  on Mauritanian   craters:
>
http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/craters.html
>
> Best  regards,
> Richard and Roland Pelisson
>
>

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