[meteorite-list] Meteorite unclassified

[Graham Ensor]

Apologies for all the typos!

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 7:07 PM Graham Ensor <graham.ensor at gmail.com> wrote:

> just an addition...an example.
>
> Would people buy one of these Allende meteorites or similar from other
> dealers pages which I think we are all pretty confident are Allende's...but
> I'm pretty sure these were just fond in the same strewnfield and have not
> been analysed to make sure.
>
> https://impactika.com/product/allende-carbonaceous/
>
> Graham
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 4:46 PM Rhett Bourland <rhett.bourland at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Honestly, just because a meteorite is found in a known strewn field
>> doesn't automatically make it part of the same fall.  Twink Monrad found
>> Golden Rule and Golden Mile in the Gold Basin strewn field.  Calcalong
>> Creek was originally sold as part of the Camel Donga strew field.  NWA482
>> was originally thought to be a eucrite.  The folks who go to Antarctica
>> each year go back to the same areas to find more because of the way
>> glaciers move.
>>
>> When talking about how not getting everything classified is bad for
>> science, that isn't just about common material being sold as something much
>> rarer.  The real danger is rare and scientifically important pieces being
>> sold as something more common.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 10:22 AM Graham Ensor <graham.ensor at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I see no problem in anybody saying a probable meteorite is unclassified
>>> but is likely to be a certain type. It is no different on line or throught
>>> the met list than traveling through Morocco or visiting a show, looking at
>>> hundreds of unclassified probable meteorites, and discussing the likelyhood
>>> of that or what type they may be with the seller. That's the way many
>>> dealers work to find unusual types that then get taken further to be
>>> officially classified. I see no fault with a NWA seller working in this
>>> way. The The fault comes if buyer does not then get it analysed or
>>> classified and tries to sell it on as an authentic classified meteorite.
>>> There are also thousands of meteorites amongst the hundreds of collections
>>> that came through NWA dealers from established large strewnfields which sit
>>> there as examples of a variety of falls/finds and have never been cut and
>>> classified. Just found as part of a new fall/find as it's impossible for
>>> every piece to be classified....examples are Chelyabinsk, Ribbeck, Erg
>>> Chech 002, Tissint, Holbrook,...the list is endless. I suspect very few
>>> collections consist of specimens where each individual has been classified
>>> and most have individuals of those I've mentioned (or others) that have
>>> never seen a scientist. If you are new to meteorites or have very little
>>> experience then this is probably not the avenue for you to buy for a
>>> collection unless you are happy to go to the trouble of getting analysis
>>> done.
>>>
>>> G
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 2:32 PM Rhett Bourland via Meteorite-list <
>>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Educated guesses aren't classifications.  Nobody can do that.  I've got
>>>> close to a couple hundred pieces in my collection that I've built up over
>>>> the past 25 years.  I own classes of meteorites that most museums don't
>>>> even have because the museums that I got them from told me where the other
>>>> pieces were.  I can safely say that I have handled and seen even more in
>>>> that time.  The IMCA got started in my living room. I wouldn't even call
>>>> something a meteorite unless it got tested.  As Anne Black recently said,
>>>> people guessing what they have and presenting it as such is nothing but
>>>> harmful for the science and commercial trade of these rocks and that woman
>>>> has seen and handled stuff that I can only dream of.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 3:37 PM <mendy.ouzillou at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rhett,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Our North African meteorite family has earned the right to make
>>>>> educated guesses, especially after they have proven themselves to be
>>>>> reputable dealers AND have examined the specimen. They have handled far
>>>>> more meteorites than most dealers and collectors. There is no surprise that
>>>>> they, and Mohamed in particular, can tell the difference between a CO and
>>>>> another type of meteorite. Mohamed was fully transparent and clearly stated
>>>>> that it is unclassified. There is nothing inauthentic about the posting.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no ulterior motive in responding to this post other than
>>>>> desiring respectful discourse.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mendy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Meteorite-list <meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com> *On
>>>>> Behalf Of *Rhett Bourland via Meteorite-list
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2024 9:53 AM
>>>>> *To:* Benzaki Mohamed <kemkemexpedition at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Cc:* Meteorite List <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite unclassified
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's unclassified and yet you're calling it a CO?  That doesn't sound
>>>>> very authentic to me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 10:17 AM Benzaki Mohamed via Meteorite-list <
>>>>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all members hop have a good day.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Everyone interested will be interested by a largeste co carbonaceous
>>>>> unclassified please contacte  me.all beste.
>>>>>
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