[meteorite-list] R: help me in understand analysis

[John Lutzon]

Thanks David,

I was extremely remiss on seeing that angle. At one time, I persued such
cases and should have had more forthought about this subject.

ADAM, my mistake---DO NOT name those Dealers...

Humble John  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Freeman 
  To: John Lutzon ; Adam Hupe ; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 6:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] R: help me in understand analysis


  Dear List;
  Not to stir the pot ( used to be real good at it),  There is room for a legal battle most likely when one starts pointing fingers...and time lawyers are dragged in, it could make a real mess and potentially harm all meteorite transactions.


  Meteorite lemon law?  Adam is cool, a great mentor.


  With my regards, David Freeman Rock Springs WY 82902 41.6°N 109.22°W (Elev. 6324 ft)



  On Monday, October 9, 2017 4:34 PM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:





  Adam,
  I was truly hoping to join your wagon train by virtue of your great 
  post regarding what to look out for in Ebay sales. I believe it may 
  have helped many people to not make a bad buy.

  But now, again, you're losing me--again you state that you are aware
  of 108 bad sales divided by the amount of Dealers and you know who
  these sellers are -- but you're not tellin'--- smart !

  And, you state that the Met-Bull will produce these bad dealers, by what means
  do you mean?? Deduction ??

  If you indeed want to help people Not make a bad deal--then why are you 
  basically making them jump through hoops. You are not helping anyone
  by keeping this information to yourself. Either Name Them or quit writing
  about this subject----it's doing no-one any good.

  Get back on track----you have alot to offer this community....

  John


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
  To: "metlist" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
  Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 5:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] R: help me in understand analysis



  I have been getting several requests to name the dealers engaged in less 
  than honest business practices.  I have publicly called out those who 
  violated the sanctity of meteorites I was involved with in the past by 
  self-pairing and piggy-backing material I placed on the market. At one 
  point, it was almost a full-time job.  I am not interested in creating a 
  "Dealer hall Of Shame" list however you can put one together yourself 
  with a little bit of work. You would be surprised at the number of 
  dealers who are engaged in deceptive trade practices.

  I found 108 violations out of the 265 lunar meteorites currently listed 
  on eBay by simply cross referencing the Meteoritical Bulletin.  There 
  are a lot more than 108 if unclassified material with no numbers is 
  taken into account.

  For NWA material, the Meteortical Bulletin will assist in providing you 
  with a list of dealers to avoid.  Carefully write down the NWA numbers 
  in question and enter them into the Meteoritical Bulletin search text field.

  Link to the meteoritical Bulletin search page:

  https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/

  Things to look out for in the bulletin.

  If there is more material by weight available on the market than what is 
  listed in the bulletin, then there is fraud taking place.

  If the number of complete stones listed in the Bulletin under a 
  particular NWA number is exceeded, then you are looking at another case 
  of self-pairing which is also fraud.

  If you are not provided with a complete chain of custody back to the 
  persons name in the bulletin who submitted the meteorite for study, then 
  it is not worth pursuing.

  If you type in the NWA number or name and no data shows up, it means the 
  stone is not official and has not been approved.

  It is interesting to see who made the list of dealers to avoid!


  Happy hunting,

  Adam






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