[meteorite-list] Star's Bizarre Optical Antics at Least a, Century Old

[Greg B.]

What would be nice is if they could collect enough light strength from 
the 1500 light/yr star to use a spectrometer to determine composition 
data. This way if you know a star should be showing spectra of He. H, 
and some Iron, yet shows a lot of aluminum and gold, and titanium, etc, 
then I would think that it must be an alien artificial structure that is 
causing the variations in the star's brightness.

Greg B.


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> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:38:45 -0800
> From: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Case study: Lake Eyre meteorite vs. U.S.
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> I agree with what you said about the laws not being enforced but they are
> still on the books and most likely will never come off.  I have not been
> hassled recently and the last time was in the same period as Met-Men.
> Apparently the BLM thought meteorites were lying around like Easter eggs and
> people were becoming rich from them so they needed more laws to protect
> people from making any form of profit.  There is also no statue of
> limitations on federal laws so when somebody finds that North American
> Lunar, they can go back in time to bolster their case.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Atkins" <thetoprok at aol.com>
> To: <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Case study: Lake Eyre meteorite vs. U.S.
>
>
> Hi Adam,
>
> What I said is true. Unenforced laws are meaningless. A warning or whatever.
> really doesn't add up to anything of substance, and without actual charges
> or at least a ticket, it's just words.
>
> I'm guessing, only guessing, the incidents you mentioned happened during, or
> just after the peak of the" Met Men" series, when the BLM was on a mission
> to keep us from making all that 'easy money'. I'd bet those same officers
> watching eBay have tired of the activity and moved on to bigger fish long
> ago. Not much to get uptight about on eBay regarding American meteorites
> "poached" from state or federal land. It wouldn't take long for them to
> figure out that monitoring eBay is a nonstarter, not enough money to merit
> the effort. The crater is the exception but that's a whole other topic.
>
>   I spend a lot of time in the field, thousands of hours, and I have hard
> core meteorite hunting buddies pounding the ground for thousands of hours
> per year without incident. Every single officer I've come into contact with
> was aware of what I was doing and never once have I had an issue. Some day
> if we ever  get together we can share some stories.
>
> As far as artifacts and fossils go you are correct, but only to a point. You
> can surface collect in most areas as far as I know. I can pick up fossils
> all day long, no one cares until I find 'Sue'. The same will hold true for
> meteorites, no one is gonna care until I recover the first North American
> Lunar.
>
>   The heat has cooled off. Relax,, Smile and go find some rocks bro. : )
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Larry Atkins
>
> IMCA # 1941
> Ebay alienrockfarm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 7:02 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Case study: Lake Eyre meteorite vs. U.S.
>
> I wish what you said was true.  Our entire group was hassled around the
> Pahrump area in Nevada and twice in California.  Eight of our team members
> were threatened (warned) and I know others on the List who have been hassled
> as well.  Two agents based out Barstow went as far as saying they know what
> is being sold on eBay.  We were told that some public land is designated as
> heritage or areas of areas of critical concern which are completely off
> limits while metal detectors cannot be used in other areas.  I cannot find
> any source which lists these areas so an agent can determine this in field
> so be careful.  Just ask artifact and fossils hunters what happened with
> their once-fine avocation including the fellow who found "Sue" the dinosaur.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Atkins" <thetoprok at aol.com>
> To: <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Case study: Lake Eyre meteorite vs. U.S.
>
>
> Hi Adam, All,
>
> This may be true but it is very rarely if ever enforced, rendering the laws
> meaningless. BLM got all excited a couple years ago but it came to nothing,
> ask Michael Mulgrew how his application went. It's a joke. The people
> enforcing the laws of our wild lands have better things to do than hassle
> rock hounds. In my sixteen years of hunting and occasional selling I've
> never heard of, or experienced trouble. In fact, I've encountered law
> enforcement of all types while in the field, told them exactly what I was
> doing, talked money and everything, and all they say is "Good luck! Have a
> great day!"
>
> Sell your rocks if you want, business as usual.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Larry Atkins
>
> IMCA # 1941
> Ebay alienrockfarm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 3:38 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Case study: Lake Eyre meteorite vs. U.S.
>
> I agree with everything you stated with the exception of response 2 where
> you state private citizens can profit from meteorite finds here in the
> United States.  It is against federal and most state laws to use meteorites
> found on public land for commercial purposes meaning that the finder is not
> allowed to sell anything they find.  Private citizen are prohibited from
> making a profit without a permit which will never be issued.
>
>
>
> 2) If private citizens were prohibited from profiting from the recovery of
> meteorites,
> would you expect a negative impact on the quantity of recovered material
> from a
> new fall? I think this is undeniable, and therefore it certainly follows
> that the total
> mass deposited with accredited institutions would suffer. And it's not just
> the
> quantity, it's the quality. A meteorite recovered within 24 hours of a fall
> is obviously
> more scientifically valuable than one recovered a month later, when
> terrestrial
> weathering has altered some rare minerals, and short-lived radioisotopes
> have
> decayed below the threshold of detectability.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 12:12 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Case study: Lake Eyre meteorite vs. U.S.
>
>
> Hi Ian,
>
> Since you brought up the Creston fall, presumably as a comparison example
> against
> current Australian state policies, I feel some counter-commentary is
> appropriate.
>
>> Creston is a example of where things went a bit pair shaped in my mind for
>> science.
> In my opinion, Creston was really no stranger than Sutter's Mill, Novato,
> Battle Mountain,
> Mifflin or Ash Creek. Science has been well served by all of these falls.
>
>> USA had a private network of cameras setup that captured the fireball, a
>> private individual
>> and some others extracted that meteorite, the first piece(s) was then on
>> sold. Finally it
>> was sold for a ridiculous price. Not illegal or immoral......just not
>> ideal
> I think what you are getting at is that only a small fraction of each of
> these falls made
> it into the hands of researchers. There are a couple points to consider:
>
> (1) How much material do researchers really need to extract the majority of
> pertinent
> scientific data from a fall? Sure, if you had infinite time you'd love to
> have all of it since
> the individual meteorites from a fall are not necessarily homogenous. (Case
> in point:
> Almahata Sitta). But balanced against this is the question of how much more
> you're
> going to learn by analyzing all of the stones from an L6 fall.
>
> (2) If private citizens were prohibited from profiting from the recovery of
> meteorites,
> would you expect a negative impact on the quantity of recovered material
> from a
> new fall? I think this is undeniable, and therefore it certainly follows
> that the total
> mass deposited with accredited institutions would suffer. And it's not just
> the
> quantity, it's the quality. A meteorite recovered within 24 hours of a fall
> is obviously
> more scientifically valuable than one recovered a month later, when
> terrestrial
> weathering has altered some rare minerals, and short-lived radioisotopes
> have
> decayed below the threshold of detectability.
>
> (3) Successful meteorite recovery requires a significant skill set AND
> considerable
> expenditures of time and money. In the U.S., I expect that more than 95% of
> the
> annual resources made available through government grants to recover
> meteorites
> goes to ANSMET. I've spent thousands of unpaid hours on the analysis of
> nearly
> all U.S. falls that have occurred in the last 15 years, as well as a number
> of falls
> outside America, and have devoted a not insignificant amount of time and
> money
> traveling to many of these places to recover meteorites. On each of these
> expeditions I tend to encounter the same couple dozen of dedicated
> individuals --
> names that would all be familiar to anyone on the Meteorite List. On
> occasion I have
> seen other scientists "in the field," but I suspect in most cases it was on
> their
> own dime and not in an official paid capacity. Meteoriticists are paid to
> analyze
> meteorites, not run around the country recovering them.
>
>> Now in Australia, we do have an likely issue of finds being hidden ( old
>> falls and
>> cold finds) due to our state laws. However this material will just add to
>> the 50,000
>> stones we need to know more about. Where these laws are a benefit is that
>> when
>> our DFN etc detects a fall, scientists (not private hunters looking for
>> profit or cost
>> recovery) will go out grab the stone and bring it back!
> Perhaps in Australia this happens. I have not seen evidence that this is the
> case
> in the U.S.  Researchers have access to the same information that I do:
> Doppler
> radar, seismic networks, all-sky cameras, internet posts, the AMS website
> and
> a dozen other resources. Nothing other than time and funding is stopping
> them
> from competing with private citizens.
>
>> We will know where it came from, where it landed, who found it, what it is
>> and
>> where it will stay exactly. With much more than just a classification but,
>> rare orbit
>> data - which is contributing greatly to mapping our solar system and more!
> Well, we got all of that on both Sutter's Mill and Creston, in spite of the
> problems
> of private land ownership and considerably harder searching conditions than
> the
> almost ideal surfaces of the Australian outback. So both systems can work. I
> just
> think the current U.S. laws favor a higher success rate than in Australia
> because
> they (at least currently) provide enough incentive to boost the people-hours
> that get devoted to each fall.
>
> Best wishes,
> Rob
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 11:53:06 -0800
> From: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Actions Ending - Material With Great
> 	Character
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>
> Dear List Members,
>
> I have some excellent NWA 5000 Lunar specimens ending at auction this
> evening.  These pieces have character and were started out at just 99 cents
> with no reserve.  They are bid up very little at this point so now be an
> opportunity to get a bargain while this material is still available.
>
> Link to all auctions:
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/merchant/ancientechoesartifacts
>
> Excellent NWA 5000, " Undisputed King Of The Lunar Meteorites" Specimens
> Ending This Evening:
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> Thank You for looking and Best Regards,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:16:06 -0600
> From: Paul <etchplain at att.net>
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Star?s Bizarre Optical Antics at Least a
> 	Century Old
> Message-ID: <569ED1C6.4010509 at att.net>
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>
> Star?s bizarre optical antics go back at least a century.
> Alien civilization still on the table as data comes out
> of the archives. by John Timmer, Ars Technica, Jan. 19, 2016
> http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/01/stars-bizarre-optical-antics-go-back-at-least-a-century/
>
> KIC 8462852 Faded at an Average Rate of 0.165+-0.013
> Magnitudes Per Century From 1890 To 1989 by Bradley
> E. Schaefer (Submitted on 13 Jan 2016) rXiv:1601.03256v1
> [astro-ph.SR]  http://arxiv.org/abs/1601.03256
>
> Yours,
>
> Paul H.
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 01:21:12 +0100
> From: Luc Labenne Meteorites <labennemeteorites at hotmail.com>
> To: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"
> 	<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD- 40% off! Shop my eBay Store Labenne
> 	Meteorites	for big savings
> Message-ID: <DUB131-W56B7C07D60CFF3D13BD3F9AFC20 at phx.gbl>
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>
> Hello List,
>
> For the first time I offer 51 meteorites (including some very rare and historic) with 40 or 30% off on my Ebay store!
>
>> Jbilet Winselwan, CM2
>> Bencubbinite (Bencubbin class) Quebrada Chimborazo 001 found by?Luc Labenne
>> ?Meteorite 0.85g from Monturaqui Crater, Chile. Iron Meteorite found by Luc Labenne
>> Tektite Atacamaite, 1.98g found by Luc Labenne
>> Jbilet Winselwan 4.20g, carbonaceous chondrite CM2
>> Enstatite Meteorite EH3, large 419g individual SAH97146, found by Luc Labenne
>> Lherzolite NWA 10169 Martian Meteorite Lherzolitic Shergottite
>> The Martian Meteorite NWA 10169
>> Lovina Iron Meteorite...or not? Anyway a strange material!
>> Meteorite Thin Section Lunar Meteorite Dhofar 1528 found by Luc?Labenne
>> Libyan Desert Glass 387g a meteorite-related collectible,
>> Orgueil Meteorite 2.238g with crust! Carbonaceous Chondrite CI1, Ivuna?
>> Angrite NWA 7203 Quenched angrite with variolitic texture?
>> Patrimonio Chondrite L6 from?Brazil
>> Olivine Diogenite Meteorite NWA 5480
>> Lherzolite NWA 10169 Martian Meteorite Lherzolitic Shergottite?
> 40 % off on 21 meteorites:
>
> <a href="http://stores.ebay.com/Meteorites-and-Jewelry/40-Off-January-Sales-/_i.html?_fsub=9198277015" target="_blank" class="newlyinsertedlink">http://stores.ebay.com/Meteorites-and-Jewelry/40-Off-January-Sales-/_i.html?_fsub=9198277015</a>
>
>
>
> 30 % off on 30 meteorites:
>
> <a href="http://stores.ebay.com/Meteorites-and-Jewelry/30-Off-January-Sales-/_i.html?_fsub=9198278015" target="_blank" class="newlyinsertedlink">http://stores.ebay.com/Meteorites-and-Jewelry/30-Off-January-Sales-/_i.html?_fsub=9198278015</a>
>
> Regards,
>
> Luc Labenne
>
>
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>
>
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>> Jbilet Winselwan, CM2
>> Bencubbinite (Bencubbin class) Quebrada Chimborazo 001 found by?Luc Labenne
>> ?Meteorite 0.85g from Monturaqui Crater, Chile. Iron Meteorite found by Luc Labenne
>> Tektite Atacamaite, 1.98g found by Luc Labenne
>> Jbilet Winselwan 4.20g, carbonaceous chondrite CM2
>> Enstatite Meteorite EH3, large 419g individual SAH97146, found by Luc Labenne
>> Lherzolite NWA 10169 Martian Meteorite Lherzolitic Shergottite
>> The Martian Meteorite NWA 10169
>> Lovina Iron Meteorite...or not? Anyway a strange material!
>> Meteorite Thin Section Lunar Meteorite Dhofar 1528 found by Luc?Labenne
>> Libyan Desert Glass 387g a meteorite-related collectible,
>> Orgueil Meteorite 2.238g with crust! Carbonaceous Chondrite CI1, Ivuna
>> Angrite NWA 7203 Quenched angrite with variolitic texture
>> Patrimonio Chondrite L6 from?Brazil
>> Olivine Diogenite Meteorite NWA 5480
>> Lherzolite NWA 10169 Martian Meteorite Lherzolitic Shergottite
>   		 	   		
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 21:58:26 -0600
> From: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'Paul'" <etchplain at att.net>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Star's Bizarre Optical Antics at Least a
> 	Century Old
> Message-ID: <180539.62433.bm at smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi,
>
> "Alien civilization still on the table"?
> Somehow I doubt an advanced alien
> civilization would screw around with
> their own star. They might, if they
> were less than scrupulous, do it to
> somebody else's star. Or maybe they
> have found a way to continously
> extract energy from a nearby unused
> star over many centuries. You could
> call them "star eaters."
>
> Once you pass over purely physical
> causes and move on to alien activity,
> almost anything is possible. There are
> physical explanations (some of them
> pretty exotic) for the behavior. Maybe
> this star swallowed a cloud of small
> black holes which orbit inside of it
> (or pass through it) and are slowly
> "eating" the star.
>
> Since the behaviour has been obseved
> in only ONE star, it's could be very
> exotic (as exotic events are likely to
> be very rare). Now, if you find
> thousands more... that's a problem.
>
> Sterling Webb
> -------------------------------------------------
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On
> Behalf Of Paul via Meteorite-list
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:16 PM
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Star's Bizarre Optical Antics at Least a Century
> Old
>
> Star's bizarre optical antics go back at least a century.
> Alien civilization still on the table as data comes out of the archives. by
> John Timmer, Ars Technica, Jan. 19, 2016
> http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/01/stars-bizarre-optical-antics-go-back-
> at-least-a-century/
>
> KIC 8462852 Faded at an Average Rate of 0.165+-0.013 Magnitudes Per Century
> >From 1890 To 1989 by Bradley E. Schaefer (Submitted on 13 Jan 2016)
> rXiv:1601.03256v1 [astro-ph.SR]  http://arxiv.org/abs/1601.03256
>
> Yours,
>
> Paul H.
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> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 04:20:19 +0000
> From: ian macleod <ianmacca81 at hotmail.com>
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> Subject: [meteorite-list] Case study: Lake Eyre meteorite vs. U.S.
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> Hi Rob and list,
>
>
> Rob, I agree 100% allowing private individuals to hunt and be rewarded is the most efficient and cost effective means to recover meteorites so far. This has worked perfectly in many countries for years even in Australia before the late 1980's. However times are changing and so is technology. In geopolitical stable countries where large networks are setup this may actually eliminate the need for private hunters all together..that is for new falls (the ones scientists and dealers are a mainly concerned with these days). In America private hunters maybe utilised and rewarded still to recover falls detected (conflict of interest). In Australia it might be a little slower to get out in the field in some cases. However but when they do go and find the stone it wont be cut into 1000 tiny bits to be sold off. Some say there is no issue with slice and dicing. For myself I think its a bit sad when a fall with a very small TKW is sliced up and sent off to the four winds and researchers have to
>   pay hundreds or thousands for tiny pieces......
>
>
> I don't expect anytime soon for NWA to dry up or for the market to stop (though its extremely slow for most small and mid level dealers).
>
>
> You replied to my comments on orbit data and solar system mapping >
>
>
>> Well, we got all of that on both Sutter's Mill and Creston, in spite of the problems
>   of private land ownership and considerably harder searching conditions than the
>   almost ideal surfaces of the Australian outback. So both systems can work. I just
>   think the current U.S. laws favour a higher success rate than in Australia because
>   they (at least currently) provide enough incentive to boost the people-hours
>   that get devoted to each fall.
>
>
> - Forgive me if I am wrong, I have not yet seen any orbit?data for either of these falls, just radar data etc namely?how ground based technology was used very well to find the fall location.
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> The cameras developed by Curtin are an extremely powerful tool in large numbers they make this massive machine that is very very accurate and can be used to calculate accurately where a meteorite originated from. Its awesome how powerful this tech is!
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> Also NOMCOM has divided up the fall system into 5 categories just because of the may or maybe nots on fall confirmation. Even now when the hunters in NWA Africa find a stone that's fresh looking?'it was witnessed' and the price is so huge no one wants to even buy it. Do we really know it was witnessed? maybe it was maybe it was not......Its something being witnessed even scientifically valuable, or is 'witnessed with trajectory recorded' more important? I go with trajectory recorded.
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> So for me its simple, many institutions wont be able to keep up with the ridiculous pricing on meteorites, neither can collectors ( who seem to be dropping in numbers also) so lets change the game a little.
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> Australians are being encouraged to be citizen scientists via the work of Curtin and others, apps and even all sky kits will be released.
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> Schools are having these systems installed in remote communities and many people are becoming involved.?A real community effort, kids are learning directly and helping
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> So I could by one or more?all sky cam's and contribute in a massive way and learn other skills sets or just keep pumping huge amounts of cash into a never ending collection I wont be able to take into the next life.........
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> sorry for upsetting my dealer mates
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> So for me the next stage of the evolution?in meteoritics is all sky tech, natural progression.
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> After 5 years of seeing many?people really only getting excited when there is a new fall, who's selling, or if their 'rights' are being taken away, or how much money can be made, ka ching. Even little science being discussed on the list by most, just how do I own some or I am selling some. Im not against buying or seling but wow!
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> More money talk/adds occurs in meteoritics? than any other hobby/science field I can think of
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> I am sorta over it
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> so this is why I am for a change, even just personally in my walk or how I can contribute
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