[meteorite-list] Time for change - here in US (was, Re: something about Las Vegas)

[Raremeteorites]

All of the taxpayer's money spent on the shrimp on a treadmill study would 
have gone a long way to study meteorites.

A link to my favorite Mantis shrimp:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj-yAHTfVeE

I guess we know what bureaucrats think is more important.  An impact from 
space or the jogging habits of a lowly decapod crustacean.

Personally, I have given up all hope that hard-working taxpayers money will 
ever be spent wisely.

Adam




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Verish via Meteorite-list" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
To: "Sonny Clary" <wahlperry at aol.com>
Cc: "Meteoritecentral List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:07 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Time for change - here in US (was,Re: something 
about Las Vegas)


Hi Sonny,

Apparently, you haven't read any of my articles where I clearly pointed to 
the top of the pyramid where the funding for meteorite studies are 
rationed-out, and
why there is a lack of funding for classifying US meteorites. I commiserate 
with the classifiers on this lack of funding and in no way am I laying any 
guilt on them.
I well understand that no US researcher can come forward as a benefactor in 
this current situation. My offer of US chondrite type-specimen was actually
directed to researchers outside of the USA. Again, that was stated in my 
article, as well.

Your defense of US geochemists is commendable, but unnecessary in this 
instance. I don't need to ask their position on this funding matter. It's 
well documented.
But maybe we should also ask the opinion of other researchers, maybe even 
outside of the MetSoc. Maybe even outside of the USA. Ask them what they 
think
about us not recording or documenting (let alone not classifying) newly 
found meteorites. Researchers like those that are studying the rate of 
influx and
number of falls per unit area. And other researchers such as those that are 
interested in knowing exactly how many small meteoroids are flying around in 
the
vicinity of our astronauts. We should ask all of them.
We should ask all the stakeholders. Even US taxpayers, who are stakeholders 
as well, because I'm sure they are assuming their tax dollars are being 
spent
wisely on protecting them from meteoroids hitting them.
I'm sure all of these various people are counting on us to do our job in 
this regard, and not to literally ignore found meteorites.

I've been waiting for one of the other old-timers to make this realization 
and make a comment, but I'm getting more impatient as I get older. So, I'll 
say it now.
It wasn't that long ago that we, as US meteorite-hunters, were thanking our 
lucky stars that we didn't have to deal with all of the stifling regulations 
that
our comrades in Australia and Canada were having to put-up with. But they 
made some crucial adjustments in their culture and now those countries are
experiencing a golden age in meteorite-recovery.

It's amazing how fast things have turned 180 degrees.

Bob V.

P.S. - please allow me to update this table of recovery data:

Stewart Valley - over 700 recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 6 different 
classifications, only the H6 and L6 are paired. Where's the beef?
Tungston Mountain - over 700 recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 10 are 
unpaired, the eight H4s are probably paired. Still no justification for a 
complaint.
Lucerne Valley - over120 meteorites, CK are the majority of the 66 
classifieds, but there were 5 unique classes in the first 7 finds, 9 in 12, 
10 in 15.
Coyote Dry lake - over 350 recorded finds, only 82 are in MBD, so far 56 of 
these are classified. >8 unique classes. No one has done a pairing study.
Stump Springs 130 field-numbered finds, only 84 provisional numbers, only 1 
classified find. No strewn-field data is published.
Yelland Dry lake Hundreds of fragments, and only one classification. Worlds 
only one meteorite dry lake! Was there any strewn-field data recorded?
There still is no estimate of how many original masses formed all of these 
clusters of fragments, or their locations. This is one big fuster cluck.

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On Tue, 9/15/15, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew 
afind.
 To: raremeteorites at centurylink.net, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 1:53 PM

 Hi Bob, Adam and List,

 >This is a concern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to
 >write on this subject in three separate articles, which essentially said,
 >"Hey, here are some US chondrites that need to be classified."
 >Still haven't received any offers

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 Stewart Valley TBR plus finds finds,
 Tungston Mountain TBR meteorites/ fragments
 Lucerne Valley 124 meteorites
 Coyote Dry lake 341 meteorites
 Stump Springs 130 plus meteorites
 Yelland Dry lake Hundreds of fragments

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