[meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

Wed May 21 13:58:11 EDT 2014

Hey Adam and list

>Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government. 
Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.

With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third 
piece has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I 
have tried to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that 
the meteorite would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it 
alone. This would be a great case to challenge in court.

Sonny

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Sonny, That is great news.  I am not saying that every experience with 
the BLM has been a negative one for me.   I spent hours on the phone 
with three different agents from the Barstow and Needles offices and 
got variable answers.  I was even told it was illegal to bring devices 
into an area that also contains heritage items or artifacts.  This 
included a magnet on a stick.   I did manage to get a permit to enter 
Ivanpah after one of my friends was ticketed there.The bottom line is 
that I do not want to see anybody hassled for selling meteorites found 
on public land.  The only consistent answer I ever got was that 
meteorites found on public land are not to be used for commercial 
purposes.Sell at your own risk.  For me, the thrill is finding 
them,Adam----- Original Message ----- From: <wahlperry at aol.com>To: 
<raremeteorites at centurylink.net>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:49 
AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake 
Finds???Hey Adam, Jim and List,Meteorites are lying around like Easter 
Eggs you just need to go outand do a little hunting. I was able to 
recover 2.5 pounds over the lastmonth in a new area. Last year while I 
was hunting the Indian Buttemeteorite I stopped and talked with two BLM 
Rangers. We talked aboutmeteorite hunting. The two rangers had no 
problem with me hunting formeteorites and wished me good luck. I have 
also talked with the LasVegas BLM regarding meteorite hunting and have 
had no problem. I didcontact the State of Arizona about hunting on 
State Land and theyinformed me that meteorite hunting on state land is 
not allowed. So farall of my experiences with the BLM and meteorite 
hunting has beenpositive. I can hopefully find some more Easter Eggs 
this weekend! :  )Sonny-----Original Message----- From: Raremeteorites 
via Meteorite-list<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>To: 
meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Wed, May 21, 
2014 9:08 amSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake 
Finds???The BLM adopted the UNESCO rules designed to protect 
culturalproperties and turned them into laws.  These rules have been 
twistedinto law by government servants overstepping their authority 
with nodebate or intelligent input whatsoever.   I talked at great 
length over10 years ago with the late Richard Norton which sounded the 
alarm bellsto anybody who would listen. The BLM strengthened their 
position withthe 10 pound limit and commercial permits which will never 
be issuedbased on television shows, falsely perceiving that meteorites 
are lyingaround like Easter Eggs and are worth a fortune.Not too many 
peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government. Just talk to 
theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.   Our group, consisting 
ofseven people, were warned by BLM agents from the Needles 
Californiaoffice that meteorites are not to be resold and that they 
monitor eBayand other outlets.  Four prominent meteorite 
collector/dealers and ascientist were on this trip.   I was personally 
threatened, as wereother team members, by them and will leave it at 
that.  Others on thislist have been warned as well.  I will leave it up 
to other hunters tostep forward with their unsavory experiences with 
the BLM if they feelso inclined.It is best to search on private 
property with writtenpermission if want to resell your finds.  There 
has been  a lot ofpress about artifact hunters having their entire 
collectionsconfiscated if they did not have provenance indicating their 
finds weremade on private land.  Even then, you are not allowed to dig 
on privateproperty for them.  They have to be surface finds. Remember, 
the "laws"written for artifacts and fossils now apply to meteorites 
even thoughmeteorites were never mentioned in the UNESCO guidelines 
which wereadopted into law.Jim, I am surprised that with all of the 
hunting youhave engaged in over the years that you have not been 
personallyinvolved with the BLM in the field.  Sometimes you run into 
areasonable agent, but more than likely, you will run into one 
lookingexert their authority.Adam----- Original Message ----- From: 
"JimWooddell via Meteorite-list" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>To:<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.
com>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:06AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] 
Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???>Hi Adam and all,>> Just for 
clarification on so called BLM Rules.>> TheBLM put out a paper a while 
back the stirred up a ruckus.  The paper >was a GUIDELINE for area 
supervisors> to implement or not.  To beclear, they are not rules.  
And, the BLM has > failed to issues claimedpermits for> commercial 
ventures when ask.>> If you can show me wherethese guidelines have 
become rules and have > actually beenimplemented, I'd like to see it.>> 
Jim>>>> On 5/20/2014 4:25 PM,Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list wrote:>> 
Hi Jim and All,>>>> Unlessthey predate 1972, meteorites found on public 
land cannot be used >>for commercial purposes according to the BLM 
interpretations rendering >> them without commercial value.  This is 
even before the new "laws" >> limited meteorite recoveries to 10 pounds 
a year or less without a >> commercial permit.  The interesting thing 
is not a single commercial >> permit has ever been issued despite being 
applied for.>>>> Sorry forthe bad news,>>>> That is why it so important 
to treat private landowners with the utmost >> respect in order to gain 
access tounrestricted search areas.>>>> Adam>> -- > Jim 
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