[meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

Michael Farmer mike at meteoriteguy.com
Thu Jan 2 11:12:16 EST 2014 

I am not arguing with Laurence, the photos of the thin sections, the oxygen isotope data seems clear. 
I am simply showing there is a little more going on with Katol than common (l6).
You can examine the piece in Tucson when you come down for the show.
I think you'll like it.
Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 2, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Carl Agee <agee at unm.edu> wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> 
> Given the wide range of lithologies we are hearing about, all I am
> saying it might be interesting to test the multiple lithologies and
> confirm what you are saying. I am not suggesting anything about
> multiple bodies or not, I don't have an opinion. I am simply
> describing how you could provide geochem evidence to form a well
> supported hypothesis. By the way, Laurence's BSE's on FB are
> unequivocal L6 -- nice equilibrated chondrules!
> 
> Carl
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> 
>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com> wrote:
>> Carl, you you suggesting this might be from different fall? I was there less than two weeks after the fall. I bought pieces as they were being found right in front of us. When we showed up with cash the whole village ran around picking up stones in 52 degree C (120f) heat. There were stones everywhere including on the street. No one cared until we came with money. We found one stone ourselves. Nearly every villager had stones. It is dead center India, among the poorest places on earth. I saw 5 iron only pieces and numerous partial iron and partial stone pieces.
>> Whatever Katol is, (L6), it has large iron chunks inside and some become complete individuals during the fall.
>> I really would like I clarify that this piece is Katol, I was there as it was found, we bought it seconds after the finder picked it up from beside his house. Can we please accept that this is Katol, not another meteorite!
>> Michael Farmer
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Carl Agee <agee at unm.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi MikeG and All:
>>> 
>>> The iron might be from L6 if it turns out that the few silicates in it
>>> (olivine and pyroxenes) have L6 geochem. You see that in the H-metal
>>> from Yucca. Of course large metal masses are probably not as commonly
>>> associated with L. Also if you had oxygen isotopes of the silicate
>>> inclusions from the iron or for that matter oxygen isotopes of the
>>> lithologies that seem to be more like achondrite, you could start to
>>> sort out if it is all from the same meteoroid.
>>> 
>>> Carl Agee
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>>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
>>> MSC03 2050
>>> University of New Mexico
>>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
>>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Mike and List,
>>>> 
>>>> Mike, and the behalf of countless others, I hope we hear that story
>>>> one day.  I imagine it must have been pretty bad for you to say it was
>>>> a "little scary".
>>>> 
>>>> There are a predominance of stony lithologies, but Mike's iron is
>>>> obviously not an L6 chondrite.  So what do we call a mass like Mike's
>>>> superb iron shield?  Do we refer to his specimen as " Katol (L6)" or
>>>> do we refer to it as something else?  Does Katol have some similarity
>>>> with Almahata Sitta, in the sense that stones with different
>>>> lithologies (and classifications) shared the same strewnfield?
>>>> 
>>>> So, a majority of hand specimens show a curious lithology that is
>>>> granular, shocked, and originating from the L-chondrite group.  Has
>>>> anyone tried to plot the affinities from the specimens like Mike's
>>>> that don't match the majority lithology?  I'd be curious if they also
>>>> fit into the L-chondrite group, or, if they were xenoliths hitching a
>>>> ride in the Katol rubble-pile.
>>>> 
>>>> Good stuff.  It's about time that Katol gets some serious attention.  :)
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> MikeG
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>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/1/14, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com> wrote:
>>>>> Yes, this piece is oriented heat shield shaped with countless flow lines and
>>>>> bubbles on the thick backside crust. There are a couple of crystal-rich
>>>>> sections. It is one of my favorite pieces in my collection, the adventure to
>>>>> acquire was a little scary.
>>>>> Laurence Garvie has taken many photos of it, I am sure he has incredible
>>>>> photos I haven't seen. This photo was the only one I got.
>>>>> The piece is still at ASU on loan, it will be on display at the Tucson
>>>>> show.
>>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2014, at 5:27 PM, Carl Agee <agee at unm.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh, of course, this the metal-rich piece?
>>>>>> *************************************
>>>>>> Carl B. Agee
>>>>>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
>>>>>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
>>>>>> MSC03 2050
>>>>>> University of New Mexico
>>>>>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> No chondrules.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Graham Ensor <graham.ensor at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think it is almost totally nickel iron and the marks are flow lines
>>>>>>>> and small impact pits similar to those you find on Sikhote Alin...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Carl Agee <agee at unm.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Or perhaps the sphericals are vesiculation of fusion crust? I agree
>>>>>>>>> with Jim, it would be nice to see some BSE images.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Carl
>>>>>>>>> *************************************
>>>>>>>>> Carl B. Agee
>>>>>>>>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
>>>>>>>>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
>>>>>>>>> MSC03 2050
>>>>>>>>> University of New Mexico
>>>>>>>>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Tel: (505) 750-7172
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>>>>>>>>> Email: agee at unm.edu
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Carl Agee <agee at unm.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Beautiful oriented and flow lines! I assume all the circular and
>>>>>>>>>> spherical shapes are chondrules peeking through the fusion crust?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing Mike!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Carl
>>>>>>>>>> *************************************
>>>>>>>>>> Carl B. Agee
>>>>>>>>>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
>>>>>>>>>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
>>>>>>>>>> MSC03 2050
>>>>>>>>>> University of New Mexico
>>>>>>>>>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Tel: (505) 750-7172
>>>>>>>>>> Fax: (505) 277-3577
>>>>>>>>>> Email: agee at unm.edu
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>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Jim Wooddell
>>>>>>>>>> <jim.wooddell at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Jeff!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Would love to see a polished window image as well as some BSE images
>>>>>>>>>>> now!
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe Laurence or whoever has them can share!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If this thing is going to have a paper published we may have to
>>>>>>>>>>> wait!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/1/2014 11:35 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike's photo in posted in the database now.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/1/2014 1:19 PM, Jim Wooddell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Wooddell
>>>>>>>>>>> jim.wooddell at suddenlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>> http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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