[meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite

Sat Sep 14 11:40:38 EDT 2013

Never mind the meteorite inside, a Spartan funerary urn sounds pretty
unusual...

<quote>The one exception among the Greek cities was Sparta. Plutarch (c.
46-120) tells us that this militaristic culture had no issues with burying
their dead in the city among the living. Excavations confirm Plutarch¹s
statement, as archeologists have discovered the graves of citizens next to
the wall of a house in at least one Spartan village (600 BC). The Spartans
treated most of their dead the same by wrapping them in a red robe with
olive leaves and burying them without any sort of artifacts or headstones.
The lack of markers has made it difficult to find Spartan graves.</quote>

Source: http://www.scottmanning.com/content/spartan-burial-practices/

I certainly wouldn't be hiring that guy for any job involving glue or
jigsaws.

John

On 14/09/2013 06:04, "wahlperry at aol.com" <wahlperry at aol.com> wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>This looks like something Proud Tom would have done! I agree with Jason
>that the pottery looks mismatched. It is hard to tell but I would bet
>the stone is not even a meteorite. I doubt that many Archeologists
>would glue a pot together this way. I was not able to pull up any
>history online (from a couple reliable sources) on his name either. It
>seems if he lives in Phoenix that he would be well aware of ASU and
>UofA as sources of information.
>
>Sonny
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
>To: Anne Black <impactika at aol.com>
>Cc: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Fri, Sep 13, 2013 12:24 am
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite
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>
>Hello Roman, All,I'm no expert, but...The vertical view of the vessel
>is triangular because the potteryfragments of the lower portion came
> from a much larger vessel --probably a bowl or two-handled vessel of
>some sort, given its apparentdiameter and the thickness of some of the
>fragments.  The glazed anddelicately-formed lip and neck appear to be
> from a completelydifferent vase -- a nice one, at that.  The handle is
>a bit odd, notsure about it.The first question that came to mind after
>seeing the images is "Whywould anyone glue pieces of a large pot
>together in the form of a muchsmaller one?"Upon closer inspection, I
>began to wonder why an archaeologist wouldglue mismatched pieces of
>glass or glazed pottery, painted and scoredterracotta, and other
>ceramics of greatly differing thicknessestogether into a triangular
>shape that (crudely) mimics an amphora'sshape...albeit with one
>handle.I'm surprised that anyone carbon-dated the site, given that
>thepottery and details of other artifacts are often deemed suitable
>fordating purposes.I had too many questions after reading the provided
>description.Sure, pass the fellow along to an expert...JasonOn Thu, Sep
>12, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Anne Black <impactika at aol.com> wrote:> Hello
>Roman,>> It is really quite simple.> Since he is in Phoenix AZ, he
>should go straight to Arizona State University> (ASU) they have an
>archaeology department and some of the top meteorite> experts.> Perfect
>place to get answers to all his questions.>>> Anne M. Black>
>www.IMPACTIKA.com> IMPACTIKA at aol.com>>>> -----Original Message----->
> From: Roman Jirasek <rj at meteoritelabels.com>> To: meteorite-list
><meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>> Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:00 pm>
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite>>> I had an
>archaeologist email me today asking about custom labels, and also> if I
>could help with identifying a possible ancient meteorite he found this>
>year.>> I received permission to send this question to my fellow
>colleagues which> may> have more insight into this topic. Read below,
>or click on link to see his> photos...>
>http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Ancient.htm>> Cheers,> Roman Jirasek>
>www.meteoritelabels.com>> Copied email follows....>> I am an
>Archaeologist and recovered a meteorite in 2013, on private> property
>in Sparta Greece. This meteorite was found inside an ancient vase,> and
>was buried with human remains. We dated this site to approximately,
>220> BCE to 130 BCE, but have not yet carbon dated the item.>> I do not
>know of any meteorite falling on or near Sparta Greece.  Since the>
>meteorite was found inside an honorary vase, we suspect it was held in
>high> regards, and more than likely to remember a battle.>> The only
>battle recorded that had a meteorite that fell during the battle;> was
>with ancient Turkey and the Spartans.>> It actually stopped the battle
>for two days, thinking it was a sign from the> gods. Many of the
>Spartans recovered portions of the meteorite is a sign of> victory from
>the God of Mars.>> I have enclosed a picture of the meteorite. Can you
>tell me? Of any> meteorites that fell prior to 220 BCE, since we know
>that was the earliest> date, since the meteorites was buried with the
>hoplite soldier.  We assume> the meteorite obviously fell before that
>date.>> This would help us, with dating the find.>> Additionally  what
>would the selling price be if it were to be sold. The> meteorite?>>
>Thank you>> Douglas Roth.> Phoenix, Arizona.> Sparta archaeology.>>
>Yes, it is fine to forward the info and pics.>> I don't have any dir
>links, but can be found, on face book for Douglas> Rothman Scottsdale,
>or ancient history on face book for archeology travel> and tours.>>
>Douglas Rothman.>>>>>> ______________________________________________>>
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