[meteorite-list] OT NASA websites taken down for Government shutdown

Thu Oct 3 11:05:47 EDT 2013

why is this continuing here? This is not a political list.
Time to stop.

Michael Farmer

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On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:55 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Bernie Madoff was very popular when he was telling fibs that people liked to hear and look what happened to his investors.
> 
> Hitler had the people behind him at one time and look what happened.
> 
> 
> This is not about who wins. We all lose in this case. There is nobody at the helm. You could say that the socialists lost congress. This does 
> not mean a win for the American people. We all lose when candidates lie 
> to the citizens they are suppose serve.  Obama promised that individuals would save an average of $2,500.00/year on their health insurance and 
> many bought into this pure B.S.  I do not call a $6,000.00+/year 
> increase a win for anybody!  Green Energy, What?  It sounded good to 
> prospective voters at the time.
> 
> Promise
> kids candy and carnival rides instead of broccoli, which is good for 
> you, and you will get their vote!  Tell people what they want to hear 
> and you can garner a lot of support until reality sets in.  This country
> was founded on hard work, not lies!
> 
> In
> the end, these massive
> increases in cost will be passed onto collectors if they can spare 
> anything after being fleeced out of every last dime in taxes.
> 
> Adam
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> To: Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de> 
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com 
> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 7:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT NASA websites taken down for Government    shutdown
> 
> 
> That makes the most sense of anything I have read lately.
> 
> Don't be a stranger around here Martin.  :)
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> MikeG
> 
> PS - watch out, you run the risk of being called "socialist" by people
> who have no idea what that word actually means.  LOL.
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> On 10/3/13, Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de> wrote:
>> Adam, a silent 12-minute view from outside...
>> 
>> To me, as far as I can judge at all, the causes of your crises over there
>> started much earlier.
>> As early as already in the Reagan era, when it started that the
>> middle-class
>> got bled.
>> And further, when the real industry was immolated on the altars of the
>> financial industry.
>> (Same happened in Europe in UK, under the Thatcherism). Consequently the
>> investments in the permanent innovation of the production and
>> infrastructure
>> were neglected and the money was carried to the horse-race and the bookies.
>> (You know, all the bursting bubbles like "new economy" etc.). So you have a
>> structural problem. In former times USA imported raw materials and primary
>> products and exported products, today it's vice versa.
>> Additionally you had a second problem, located more on the other end of the
>> political spectrum, that program every US-citizen in his own house (when
>> did
>> it start, under Carter?), where to each and every one credits were allowed
>> for acquiring real estate, without checking whether the people would ever
>> be
>> able to pay the credit back and that later-on the banks started to trade
>> with and to bet on these foul credits, resulting in the real estate &
>> banking crises.
>> (plus you have the huge gaps in the budget, caused by the last two
>> expensive
>> wars).
>> The other model would be for instance Germany, one of the very few
>> countries, which currently seems to get off still very lightly through the
>> crises (which is also in Europe the largest economical depression since
>> WWII) and is even profiting at the moment from the crises (later on we will
>> have to pay, as Germany guarantees for the national debts of other
>> EU-countries with a sum higher than its own national budget) because it has
>> a different structure.
>> Always ridiculed in times of the Big$$ for its poor financial industry and
>> the anaemic rate of the economic growth of +/-1% per annum, it lives mainly
>> from the production, hence from the "real" industries and the exportation
>> (#2 behind China). Despite the crises we have a decent growth of the GNP
>> and
>> even a bisection of the unemployment during the last 10 years - and that
>> all
>> with the severe problem of a strongly over-aging society, driving the dues
>> for social insurances like health care or old-age provisions in dizzy
>> heights.
>> Interesting is,that that stability is created mainly by mid-sized
>> enterprises and not so by the industrial giants. The latter run after the
>> shareholder value and calculate only for the quarterly statements,
>> abandoning any long-term-strategy.
>> They didn't create new jobs, but permanently make personnel reductions.
>> Furthermore they are heftily subsidized with tax money or by tax
>> exemptions,
>> and often when they are about going bankrupt, they are rescued with
>> tax-money...
>> 
>> Hence to make it shorter....
>> For an observer from outside, now that blockade and the shutdown has, as
>> regards content, nothing to do with the healthcare, but is a simple power
>> struggle. (And we all are wondering, that in that difficult economical
>> times
>> and for that purpose, your congress hazards the consequences of an
>> avoidable
>> damage to the real GDP).
>> 
>> Healthcare is another topic.
>> Rather a question of mentality and history of a country. Huh, I saw Henry
>> Fonda burying Grampa roadside on the trek to the Promised Land. (eeeek a
>> communist oeuvre?).
>> 
>> I for my own at least, being ill & unfit for work for 1.5 years
>> now,(snivel)
>> am pretty glad, that due to my healthcare I only have to dump meteorites
>> but
>> not house & farm & the shirt off my back for my treatment. (And that I have
>> a better perspective thus, than to be healthy again, but then to be forced
>> to wear down a huge mountain of debts until handing over my spoon, as we
>> say
>> here)
>> 
>> "over 50 cents goes to taxes of one sort or another"
>> 
>> Don't worry, second-most meteorite-retail-dealers behind the U.S. seem to
>> work in Germany;
>> our dues&taxes are much higher (and that while having also on average
>> somewhat higher living costs).
>> It works too.
>> 
>> "I think the price of meteorites will just have to go up."
>> 
>> Nope.
>> A life without meteorites is possible, but useless.
>> 
>> But when the collectors' wallet gets thinner, the meteorites have to get
>> CHEAPER.
>> 
>> (And the same way the U.S.-dealers don't care a fig for the tax&dues burden
>> of their Germs-colleagues,
>> the Russian and Moroccan colleagues won't care for your tax&dues yoke.
>> Decisive for your success was, is and will always be: the collector).
>> 
>> And as always,
>> I could also go wrong with my views,
>> nevertheless,
>> much success to all,
>> & be confident.
>> 
>> Martin
>> (disappearing again for the next months...)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Adam
>> Hupe
>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Oktober 2013 02:16
>> An: Adam
>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA websites taken down for Government
>> shutdown
>> 
>> My 10-minute rant since all of this government shutdown business is being
>> postured about!
>> 
>> 
>> 
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