[meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

Michael Blood mlblood at cox.net
Thu Jul 25 22:32:38 EDT 2013 

Right on.
        Michael

On 7/25/13 6:40 PM, "Michael Farmer" <mike at meteoriteguy.com> wrote:

> There is low traffic because most have given up and either left or just don't
> bother anymore.
> If you are bored there are chatrooms. I talk politics on Facebook, I prefer to
> talk meteorites on this meteorite list. It has rules clearly spelled out that
> all post need to relate to meteorites.
> While cool scientific posts are often on here, and no one complains as they
> are usually about geology or astronomy, which can be rolled into meteorites in
> general, speeding tickets and cameras really don't need to be here unless you
> say "watch out just before Holbrook turn as there is a speed camera" for
> example. Ive been on this list for 14 years and have seen it dwindle from
> 50-60 posts a day down to 2 or 3 useful. Perhaps we can find our way back to
> meteorites?
> 
> Michael Farmer
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:31 PM, "Michael Bross" <element33 at peconic.net> wrote:
> 
>> because, they are really few forums today where there is an exchange.
>> 
>> I am on various forums: archeometallurgy, medicinal plants, ancient tools
>> etc...
>> The exchange has become so minimal compared to the late 90s
>> 
>> The "success" of them were in being able to talk about other topics
>> when there were of interest, of course...
>> 
>> I enjoyed seeing a recent post from Michael Cottingham about his
>> Yerba Mansa project (I still have to contact him)
>> and many other OT subjects here... lately
>> 
>> If they enrich us/me, they are not OT
>> Don't you think that way ? or are meteorites your only interest ?
>> 
>> When you go Tucson or other Meteorite gathering, do you only talk
>> about meteorites ?
>> 
>> If not, why not here ?
>> There is such low traffic... and the delete key is so accessible
>> 
>> All the best
>> Michael
>> 
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Michael Farmer" <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:17 AM
>> To: "Michael Bross" <element33 at peconic.net>
>> Cc: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>; "Adam"
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>> 
>>> Sadly the list is being used daily for off-topic rants. Meteorite-related
>>> posts are becoming the
>>> minority. There are endless forums for speeding tickets etc, government,
>>> politics, privacy,  there are few for meteorites. Sadly the meteorite forums
>>> on facebook have been taken over by endless Moroccan spam and demands to
>>> identify their endless rocks. I am blocking them because of the flood of
>>> spam. We have few places to turn for real meteorite talk. Please don't make
>>> this list about personal rants on government topics not related to
>>> meteorites. BLM rules, yes, speeding tickets, why?
>>> 
>>> Michael Farmer
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:12 PM, "Michael Bross" <element33 at peconic.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> it is your way of thinking... not mine
>>>> especially because this forum has been much less on meteorites
>>>> since Fb and other social networks seem to drag the traffic...
>>>> and I will never go to these massroads
>>>> 
>>>> I love meteorites for what they are.
>>>> I am not a collector, but happy to have some Campo del Ceilo
>>>> a Seshuan but no gorgeous pallasite...
>>>> 
>>>> And I enjoy others sharing here on this worldwide forum,
>>>> like the sinkholes from Paul H.
>>>> 
>>>> All the best
>>>> Michael B.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Michael Farmer" <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:57 AM
>>>> To: "Michael Bross" <element33 at peconic.net>
>>>> Cc: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>; "Adam"
>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>>>> 
>>>>> In no way shape or form does speed cameras or privacy rules etc belong on
>>>>> this list. Nothing in these emails was about meteorites.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:33 PM, "Michael Bross" <element33 at peconic.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi List
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you Adam for your posts and links
>>>>>> I love the one with your soulmate waving to the camera.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am French, lived many years in NYC and the East.
>>>>>> Now with a "pied-a-terre" in Obernai, near Strasbourg in France.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In France, the speed radars are almost only placed to milk money, as you
>>>>>> sadly said
>>>>>> for Colorado. (not to get the real "road dogs")
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Michael (Farmer), I also understand your point as this being of topic...
>>>>>> but is it so ? when we look at the lengthy interesting posts about BLM
>>>>>> rules,
>>>>>> the meteorite market etc... this goes in the same range of looking at our
>>>>>> world today
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Like Adam rightfully said... the freedom of privacy has gone
>>>>>> and I am very sad to hear that about USA !
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyway...
>>>>>> In France, you can be on a road late at night with nobody around for
>>>>>> miles and time... and being flashed by a radar because you are a couple
>>>>>> miles
>>>>>> over the "limit", between quotes, because being at 80 or 100 miles an
>>>>>> hour
>>>>>> in SUCH circumstances... doesn't matter at all. (we are talking about
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> on a multiple lane freeway/ Autobahn with barely any other car or truck
>>>>>> around)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In Germany, they have radars...BUT you have a margin of 05-10 kms in town
>>>>>> and 20-30 on Autobahn
>>>>>> btw, when I go to NYC, nobody is at the speed limit of 55 miles/hour
>>>>>> but more in the 65-70 range... the troopers onl sort out the ones really
>>>>>> off limits...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, I agree with Adam with all the points he made.
>>>>>> Socially responsible... YES
>>>>>> But... please no not-human eye to estimate a situation as it should be...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Au revoir
>>>>>> Michael B.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:18 AM
>>>>>> To: "Adam" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There are some people headed to Hollbrook through Kingman this weekend.
>>>>>>> Just wanted to give them a heads up on unfair ticketing going on.
>>>>>>> Somebody else posted the Curry contact which complained about unfair
>>>>>>> traffic violation citations.  It is pretty bad when some cops are too
>>>>>>> lazy hand out tickets in person and depend on cameras to do the job.  I
>>>>>>> have seen mobile camera trucks with 20 foot booms in Arizona waiting
>>>>>>> around blind corners on the freeway just to ruin somebody's day who may
>>>>>>> be going a few miles over the limit!  It is pretty bad when you can
>>>>>>> retrace your road trip 3 months later just by accessing the data on
>>>>>>> traffic cams.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What ever happened to chasing speeders down and giving them a ticket
>>>>>>> face to face so you can al least see who your accuser is and argue with
>>>>>>> them if they are wrong?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To me, all this data collecting (spying) on every single person in the
>>>>>>> United States and those in other countries reflects poorly on those
>>>>>>> currently in office who are abusing this new-found power. They need to
>>>>>>> be ousted!  What ever happened to warrants and probable cause?  Our
>>>>>>> freedom of privacy is at stake!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What next, a toilet cam with a weight monitor under the seat, a DNA
>>>>>>> sampler and a butt recognition system?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>>>>>>> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:10 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Why is this on the list?
>>>>>>> Michael Farner
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There are thousands of cameras in place in Arizona, some of which will
>>>>>>>> still issue thousands of tickets per camera per year.  They are called
>>>>>>>> traffic cams and they will still capture your every move and store this
>>>>>>>> data for an undetermined period of time.  The cameras have OCR meaning
>>>>>>>> they can read your license plate numbers.  This gives them the ability
>>>>>>>> to retrace your every move if needed in court.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The freedom of privacy is long gone!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:11 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> One of thousands of cameras?  Might be a bit of an overstatement.
>>>>>>>> According to an article written in 2010 (after the state stopped the
>>>>>>>> photo speed enforcement program), only a few local jurisdictions still
>>>>>>>> use them.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "This is much more limited in scale and scope," [Matthew Benson, a
>>>>>>>> spokesman for the Governor's Office] said. "You've only got (eight)
>>>>>>>> instances of this throughout the state."
>>>>>>>> http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/some-arizona-cities-still-using-spe
>>>>>>>> ed-cameras-after-program-was-ended-by-gov-jan-brewer
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Michael in so. Cal.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> It is interesting that our friend is speaking of traffic stops.
>>>>>>>>> Luckily for us, ED or Electronic D.N.A. is on the job 24 hours a day
>>>>>>>>> 365 days a year. Here are some images of my wife I with a Nevada State
>>>>>>>>> Patrol in hot pursuit.  She had the ticket printed before we were even
>>>>>>>>> stopped as witnessed on camera.  In Arizona, they will just send you a
>>>>>>>>> ticket in the mail if one of the thousands of cameras tracks you
>>>>>>>>> speeding.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Image of Nevada State Patrol in hot pursuit:
>>>>>>>>> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-a.jpg
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ticket already printed before stop:
>>>>>>>>> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-b.jpg
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sate Patrol officer looks pretty huffed, see you in court:
>>>>>>>>> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TrafficCam-c.jpg
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Excuses like my throttle was stuck, my foot fell asleep or my tennis
>>>>>>>>> shoe is made out cement will not fly in court these days since ED
>>>>>>>>> doesn't lie.  Tell the truth and you may get off with a parking meter
>>>>>>>>> violation even though there are no parking meters here in Laughlin,
>>>>>>>>> Nevada.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Be careful on these long meteorite hunting road trips if you do not
>>>>>>>>> want see a ticket in the mail or worse yet a trooper who has the look
>>>>>>>>> of glee on their face when they pull you over!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>>> 
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