[meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - "Diggers" episode Tonight NGC

Thu Aug 29 14:04:06 EDT 2013

Discovery, Learning Channel, and A&E are wastelands of tripe now.  I
remember when TLC had "learning" on it.  I remember when Discovery was
about science.  I remember when A&E had "arts" on it.  Now it's Dog
the Bounty Hunter and Pawn Stars.  The networks are giving people what
they apparently want - and that is a trainwreck of rednecks acting out
contrived situations and scripted dialogue.  Even the Smithsonian
channel is getting a little dodgy.

 I see commercials on Smithsonian and Nat Geo for worthless
"binoculars" that aren't worth 10 cents and they claim to be the best
optical bargain on the planet - the choice of sportsmen around the
world!  (Order now and get a second set of useless pseudo-binoculars
for just processing and handling!) - Any network with an ounce of
scientific integrity (or any integrity) would refuse those
advertisements - but that would mean turning away easy money from
advertisers with deep pockets.  The same goes for their print
magazines - they should be ashamed of themselves for pushing worthless
junk on their readers and viewers.

I take everything I see on these channels with a block of salt.

Well, these diggers and pickers have gotten more discussion time than
they are worth.  I vote for ending this thread and putting it into
File 13.

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 8/29/13, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com> wrote:
> I guess I am just not in tune with the dreamers out there. It could have
> been Napoleon's powder horn as well, but it wasn't and so pretending that it
> might have been is dumb. Sorry to be so hard on your buddies, but this show
> sucks, and it makes those of us who carry a metal detector look like
> buffoons. Why am I not entitled to voice my opinion? I guess you only want
> to hear about happy things, little puppies and "Hannibal Nectar's" lost
> razor blade:)
> Yes, Nat Geo channel sucks too, showing this crap. It makes me want to stop
> donating money to the organization, clearly they have plenty to produce this
> garbage.
>
> Michael Farmer
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 29, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Michael Farmer, why is posing a "could be" statement stupid?  They say
>> "could be" because those things "could be" true.  They're probably
>> not, but it's fun to hypothesize and use your imagination.  You could
>> be an asshole, but I don't know you other than what you write to this
>> list.  The only stupid thing I see here is grown men getting their
>> panties in a bunch over an entertaining TV show.  Write a letter to
>> the producers and express your displeasure.  It "could be" that you do
>> not understand how television production works.  Maybe you would enjoy
>> some of NatGeo's other fine programming, such as Doomsday Castle,
>> American Chainsaw, Are You Tougher Than a Boy Scout, Beast Hunter,
>> Family Beef, or Chasing UFOs?
>>
>> And no, I do not think the BLM's meteorite memo had anything to do
>> with what happened on a cable television show.  Last I checked the
>> Federal Government does not use television shows as a basis for
>> official policy.  It is much more likely that their policies were a
>> result of real-world conflicts that happened on BLM land with real
>> life meteorite hunters and recent falls that occurred just prior to
>> the policy having been drafted.  But wait, your conjecture is a "could
>> be" statement, too.  Such a vicious circle.
>>
>> Michael in so. Cal.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>> wrote:
>>> It is just really stupid to say that "this could be Kitt Carson's powder
>>> horn" or "Nectar Hannibal's razor-blade". This is entertainment for the
>>> lowest end of the spectrum. It belongs on MTV after Real World, not on
>>> National Geographic. I want the hour I wasted last night back! I would
>>> have been better off looking for scorpions in my backyard than watching
>>> this phony drivel.
>>> I also love metal detecting, gold mining, and meteorite hunting, Ive done
>>> them all, successfully.
>>> These shows are so contrived, so fake, so over the top full of crap that
>>> they are destroying these hobbies. Why do you think the BLM suddenly
>>> focused on meteorites and shut down collecting unless you go through
>>> years of paperwork? Could it be the idiotic prices quoted on certain
>>> shows telling people they could make thousands on every fragment of rock
>>> picked up?
>>> Michael Farmer
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:09 AM, "Bob Loeffler" <bloeffler at peaktopeak.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I hate most of the reality TV shows that have been on for the last 20
>>>> years
>>>> or so, but I do end up watching Diggers, Prospectors, Meteorite Men and
>>>> Gold
>>>> Rush every now and then because they are all related to my favorite
>>>> hobbies
>>>> (digging for mineral crystals, meteorites and cool old stuff).  Yes,
>>>> they
>>>> are extremely over-hyped by the producers, but they are just
>>>> entertainment.
>>>>
>>>> And I think Diggers is the least over-to-top when it comes to how much
>>>> something can be worth.  In one of the episodes this week, they found a
>>>> really old button (possibly from the late 1700s) and they said it was
>>>> worth
>>>> around $15.  If that was on Meteorite Men or Prospectors, they would've
>>>> added two more zeros to the end of that number!  I have seen 5 or 6
>>>> episodes
>>>> of Diggers and they have never priced anything more than $100 that I
>>>> can
>>>> remember.  Although I don't know what most historical items should be
>>>> priced
>>>> at, I've agreed with the pricing from an outsider's point of view.
>>>> Would I
>>>> pay $50 for a 150-year-old belt buckle in pretty good condition that
>>>> might've been worn by Kit Carson or Billie the Kid?  Sure!  Would I pay
>>>> $500?  Heck no... unless there was really good evidence that one of them
>>>> DID
>>>> wear it.  So I think a lot of the pricing on Diggers is not too far from
>>>> a
>>>> reasonable amount.  A few items that they have found in past episodes
>>>> had
>>>> lower prices than I had expected, things that I thought were kind of
>>>> cool
>>>> looking, so I was actually PROUD of the producers for "doing the right
>>>> thing" and not putting a hefty price tag on them.
>>>>
>>>> The guys on Diggers are really goofy, but that's the nature of the
>>>> beast
>>>> (i.e. TV shows).  They are annoying, but seem like good guys out having
>>>> fun,
>>>> doing what they love to do.  Just like Geoff and Steve on MM.
>>>> Sometimes
>>>> annoying, but we still love them on their show.  And like Michael
>>>> Mulgrew
>>>> said, the Diggers guys don't keep what they find.  I agree with others
>>>> that
>>>> they really should do more explaining on each episode (e.g. "we got
>>>> permission to dig here, make sure you get permission to dig wherever
>>>> you
>>>> go") and dig their holes/flaps correctly to prevent erosion, dead
>>>> grass,
>>>> etc.  I'm sure they fill in their holes, so I wouldn't worry about
>>>> someone
>>>> (or an animal) breaking their leg by stepping in a hole after these
>>>> guys
>>>> leave.
>>>>
>>>> I just went to the Diggers website
>>>> (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/diggers/) and saw this:
>>>>
>>>> "As the show's production archaeologist Kate Culpepper ensures that
>>>> Diggers
>>>> adheres to the strict standards of ethical metal detecting, and that
>>>> the
>>>> historical value of artifacts and local sites isn't compromised in any
>>>> way."
>>>> So there is probably more to all of this than what we see on the show.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Bob L.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Michael
>>>> Farmer
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:05 PM
>>>> To: Michael Mulgrew
>>>> Cc: Meteorite List
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - "Diggers" episode Tonight
>>>> NGC
>>>>
>>>> Jesus Christ, this show is horrible, I cant even believe that the Nat
>>>> Geo
>>>> channel has sunk so low.
>>>> Yeah, a crushed thimble worth $15! Good luck on getting a nickel out of
>>>> anything these morons find. It is sad to see these reality shows sink
>>>> so
>>>> low.
>>>>
>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Adam and list,
>>>>>
>>>>> Far be it from me to defend anything on tv, but I do know (first hand,
>>>>> from the "Diggers" themselves) that they do not keep anything they
>>>>> find, it all goes to the land owners, and that their goofy terms have
>>>>> roots in the DVDs these guys originally made years ago and are used
>>>>> solely for entertainment purposes, i.e. another over-produced aspect
>>>>> of a cable television show.  You and all other treasure hunters know
>>>>> that these terms are fake, but that's ok because those terms aren't
>>>>> for you, they're for the general public at home who know nothing about
>>>>> treasure hunting and get a kick out of two wack-ohs running around and
>>>>> getting crazy when they find something.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any time anyone's passion/hobby is portrayed on a tv show, the "real
>>>>> world" practitioners are going to be affronted; these are not the
>>>>> target audiences for these types of shows.  If I was the worlds
>>>>> greatest nose picker and someone made a show about picking noses I'm
>>>>> sure it would be portrayed all wrong and ruin nose picking for all of
>>>>> us elite and dedicated Pickers.
>>>>>
>>>>> So enjoy these shows for what they are, entertainment; they are not
>>>>> meant to be taken seriously.  Mainstream network news
>>>>> (ABC/NBC/FOX/CNN/etc.) is just as fake and staged as all of these
>>>>> shows, and I view it in the same light.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael in so. Cal.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Yep, Glorieta will be the next area permanently off limits.  These
>>>>>> guys
>>>> on Diggers are an embarrassment to the treasure hunting community.
>>>> Treasure
>>>> hunting club members that I stay in touch with cringe every episode
>>>> knowing
>>>> that these guys violate the rules and are ruining it for everybody
>>>> else.
>>>> The Cascade Treasure Hunting Club reminds its members that these guys
>>>> are
>>>> just rogue entertainers and that they are not real treasure hunters who
>>>> tend
>>>> to keep their finds to themselves or only share them with other club
>>>> members.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lets go find some "Nectar" , "Juice" and "Roundness", baby talk terms
>>>> used on the show that no real treasure hunter would get caught dead
>>>> using in
>>>> the field!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam
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