[meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook

Mark Bowling minador at yahoo.com
Fri Oct 26 01:36:21 EDT 2012 

And I forgot to correct myself about the large cool piece in Jim's link.  It is the big one Richard Garcia found on the 99th hunt.  I got to hold it the last couple years - an amazing piece indeed!  Congratulations again Richard and happy hunting!

Mark

 
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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:32 PM
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I guess we stand corrected...

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The guy that has it for sale just posted that he actually was the one to find it.




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-----Original Message----- From: Mark Bowling
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:21 PM
To: meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook

I agree with Jason, it doesn't look quite right.

It's always hard to tell from photos, but if it looked this way in person, I would not have guessed Holbook.  If someone cleans/shines them up, it can really change the look of them.

I've found a lot Holbrook and seen a lot taken in the field, and I thought I knew them well.  But I was surprised a few years ago at the difference, when I saw one cleaned with chapstick just hours after being found in front of many witnesses.  I had to adjust my thinking (I've always left mine as found, dirt and all, and I'm glad I have).

But even so, that doesn't really change the thickness of the crust.  It just looks strange - it could be a Holbrook that's been handled a lot, like being carried in a pocket (???).

Unless you really trust this person, I'd stay away, but that's just me (the seller could be on the up and up).

Mark

P.S nice finds Jim!




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From: jason utas <jasonutas at gmail.com>
To: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook

Hello Jim,
I see finely textured crust with surface rust.  Looks like a Holbrook.
I think the lighting of the photo on facebook is throwing you off.
It's quite different.
Regards,
Jason

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jim Wooddell <jimwooddell at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jason!
> 
> So what do you think about this one?
> 
> http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/IMG_3252.jpg
> which is a Holbrook found on the 99th Anniversary of the fall.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jason utas <jasonutas at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello All,
>> Texture's completely off.  Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but
>> always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been
>> mechanically altered much since 1912.  Surface rust, yes.  Places
>> where it has chipped off, yes.  Contraction cracks...usually.
>> 
>> But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting.
>> 
>> The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has
>> "remnant-crust," or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust,
>> which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's.
>> 
>> If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has
>> weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen.
>> 
>> A real one:
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337d3f7206
>> 
>> Note the fine detail still present on the crust.
>> 
>> And again:
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337d3f7046
>> 
>> Jim Steele is also offering "Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and
>> Park Forest."  Anyone want to try to get some photos?  He could have
>> purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any
>> fingers here.
>> 
>> Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
>>> Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
>>> To: Mendy Ouzillou <ouzillou at yahoo.com>, Meteorite List
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more
>>> Holbrook than anyone on the list...
>>> Steve....whaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient
>>> To form an opinion?
>>>        Michael
>>> 
>>> On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, "Mendy Ouzillou" <ouzillou at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that
>>>> looks a bit weird to me.  The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in
>>>> 1998.  I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate
>>>> with "recently" found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me.  I know there
>>>> are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before
>>>> I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion.  I know
>>>> not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I
>>>> can email you the picture.  In case this is real, please PM me and based on
>>>> responses, I will let everyone know the verdict.
>>>> http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Mendy
>>>> 
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