[meteorite-list] Final report on analysis of fake martian meteorites sold on ebay

Wed Jun 6 19:13:00 EDT 2012

Daniel and Dr Korotev

Great job with this. I have been contact some eBay members today and letting them know by emailing them from eBay but I can only email about 10 people a day on eBay. I was able to go through Steelhorse1994 list and I see that they have sold a lot of the fake meteorites in May, so they are still at it. I went down his feed back list and was able to email up to 

Fast shipping!! Thank you AAA  Buyer: 
Member id 805rockminer ( Feedback Score Of 93)   May-13-12 16:50  
NWA 4881 - LUNAR METEORITE - MOON ROCK - Achondrite - Great For The 
Collector! (#200745673078)  US $17.00  

So if someone wants to take over and start emailing members below that on their feed back page that would be great. Tomorrow I email where I left off unless people do this and let the list know where they left off. I think by doing this and the buyers all contacting eBay and Pay Pal will see what is happening.

Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
eBay Store
http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html?

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As was previously reported in this forum last month, ebay 
seller 
steelhorse1994 was dumping fake moon and mars rock displays on 
unsuspecting buyers through ebay listings for over a year. My 
involvement started a few months ago when I recognized the displays were 
suspect and made it my mission to uncover the fraud. I obtained one of 
these displays and solicited the assistance of Dr. Randy Korotev at 
Washington University to analyze it with neutron activation. His initial 
report to me last month indicated that it was NOT a rock from space and 
was indeed terrestrial. I immediately contacted eBay. Two days later, 
the fraud was no longer selling his fakes on eBay. There is still the 
occasional ebay seller "reselling" some of these fakes, an unfortunate 
repercussion of over 1000 bogus items dumped on eBay. 

Be on the 
lookout. The clear tell for ALL of his fakes is to observe the 
reverse 
display side image. It will say in big letters: "American 
Meteorite 
Collectors Society", which of course is nonexistent, 
"Authenicity 
Guaranteed". NOT. 

I followed up with eBay and inquired if they were 
planning to contact 
all the buyers who bought the fraudulent material. Their 
response was: 
"Oh no, they would have to contact us, and within 45 days of 
the 
purchase". Are you kidding me? How self-serving is that! 

I have 
just received the final data analysis from Dr. Korotev regarding 
the display 
that I sent him and have reproduced his conclusions below. 
If anyone is 
interested in seeing the hard data (1 page, primarily 
regarding the REE), 
drop me a note, and I will forward it to you. 

Best regards, 

Daniel Noyes 

....................................... 

Dear Mr. Noyes: 

Here are the final INAA data on your fake 
martian meteorite. 

There appear to be no published data for NWA 4925, 
but according to my 
colleague Tony Irving, NWA 4925 is a "depleted, permafic 
olivine 
shergottite," of which there are several, including SaU 005 and the 
new 
martian fall Tissint. Your rock is nothing like any of them. It's got 
the geochemical signatures of a terrestrial rock - high alkalis, low Cr, 
granite-like REE pattern. 

~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+ 
Randy L. Korotev phone: (314) 935-5637 
Research Professor fax: (314) 
935-7361 
Washington University in Saint Louis korotev at 
wustl.edu 
Department of Earth & Planetary Sciences http://epsc.wustl.edu/

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Outstanding. 

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I agree with Adam 100%, and my comment to the article says as much. 

I really wish writers would stick to subjects they actually know 
something about. This article is nothing more than slander. 

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