[meteorite-list] International Laws related to meteorites link - good info

Thu Jul 19 10:33:21 EDT 2012

Here is a link to some really good info concerning international laws related to meteorites and exportation of them.
It specifically makes note of meteorites from India also. 

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2002M%26PSB..37....5S

Greg Catterton
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----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Montgomery <rickmont at earthlink.net>
To: bill kies <parkforestmet at hotmail.com>
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit

Time for me to excuse myself from any further comments on this thread, the neophyte that I am, with this last one on this topic:  when I mentioned I echoed Mike's comments, I see it all from afar as a non-IMCA member, and have held onto my perspective that the meteorite world is as pristine as the falls and finds we enjoy.   Sad to see the drama.

-Richard Montgomery

----- Original Message ----- From: "bill kies" <parkforestmet at hotmail.com>
To: <rickmont at earthlink.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit

Sorry Richard but this an endemic issue that will always be viewed with a turned head. What bothers me the most is the fact that it get's ignored in relation to who is involved. I don't really care who sells an illegal rock unless it's an imca member who is sworn to the uphold the truth.. like anyone really cares about the imca. The perpetrator rolls the dice. I do get disgusted when the people who preach about it all backslide into their own bs. Many have preached and done the contrary. Check the archives.

I can accept opportunists and leaches as long as they're up front about it, as long as they don't get in my way....

> From: rickmont at earthlink.net
> To: mike at meteoriteguy.com; star_wars_collector at yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 20:32:35 -0700
> CC: jasonutas at gmail.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
> 
> A follow-up to clarify...I echo MF's perspective.
> 
> -RM
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Farmer" <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
> To: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "jason utas" <jasonutas at gmail.com>; "Meteorite-list"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
> 
> 
> > Perhaps the job of the IMCA is not to police the world's laws, but to
> > ensure authenticity, which is what it was set up to do.
> >
> >
> > Michael Farmer
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Jul 14, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Greg Catterton
> > <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 1. You know more then well I was told it was Mifflin. I FULLY REFUNDED
> >> EVERYONE. Case closed. YOU can "shove off" I had several still not >> return
> >> material to me even though they were refunded..., including Mike
> >> Cottingham, and John Helm.
> >>
> >> 2. I spent several thousand of my money to try to open the museum. It
> >> failed. What can I say? I tried... Again, you can "shove off"
> >> 3. I have returned EVERYTHING donated minus one person who I have >> talked
> >> to about it. YOU did nothing yet run your mouth... again, "shove off...
> >>
> >> 4. WHAT I DID/DO DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT THAT YOU SELLING ILLEGALLY
> >> EXPORTED MATERIAL AND KNOW AS MUCH!!! I didnt know about the mifflin, >> you
> >> know the laws about this, and choose to ignore it!
> >>
> >> your comments are pathetic. YOU are breaking international laws, and >> are
> >> an IMCA member to boot... Where is the IMCA right now when you are
> >> selling ILLEGALLY EXPORTED METEORITES? What are they going to do with >> you
> >> breaking numerous IMCA rules? ANYONE from the IMCA care to comment or
> >> will they remain quite as that usually do when one of the good ol boys
> >> break the rules?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Greg Catterton
> >> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> >> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
> >> On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: jason utas <jasonutas at gmail.com>
> >> To: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> Cc:
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:34 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
> >>
> >> Hello Greg,
> >> The gall you must have to pass on thousands of dollars of fake
> >> material, take donations for a good cause, flake on the cause (but
> >> keep many of the donations) and then rag on me for selling *accurately
> >> described material*...just shove off. You've done more harm to this
> >> community on your own than most others have been able to manage in the
> >> past fifteen years.
> >> Jason
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM,
> >> <wanderingstar at wanderingstarmeteorites.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Its Commonly known meteorites from India are illegal without export
> >>> permits, but yet Suligiri and now Katol is offered by many IMCA >>> members
> >>> for sale. Guess the meteorite police, IMCA member and seller of this
> >>> (Katol) Jason Utas needs to add himself to his blacklist for selling
> >>> illegal meteorites! Question is, where is the IMCA to take action
> >>> against jason for illegally exporting or receiving these for sale?
> >>>
> >>> Greg C,
> >>>
> >>> -------- Original Message --------
> >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
> >>> From: Me Teor <m3t30r1t3man at gmail.com>
> >>> Date: Sat, July 14, 2012 11:39 am
> >>> To: Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com>
> >>> Cc: Meteorite Central <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >>>
> >>> Dear Shawn
> >>> You are absolutely correct. It is illegal to collect meteorites in
> >>> India. And meteorites are government property. The authority for this >>> is
> >>> the Geological Survey of India. And as far as I know, they never trade
> >>> or deal with any individuals or private institutions. There cannot be
> >>> any export papers as export is banned.
> >>>
> >>> Although I wonder how having a export paper or certificate helps ?
> >>>
> >>> If a specimen is up for sale, it is definitely out of the country and
> >>> has been exported.
> >>>
> >>> By the way does anyone have a analysis report on this new find ?
> >>>
> >>> M.E.
> >>>
> >>> On 14-Jul-2012, at 3:32 AM, Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello Listers,
> >>>>
> >>>>> From my understanding, meteorites that fell or are found after 1885 >>>>> in
> >>>>> India would be forwarded to the Government Geological Museum which
> >>>>> would take over possession of the meteorite? If so, how is Katol
> >>>>> exempt from this, or was Katol sold by the Museum? For those who >>>>> have
> >>>>> gotten some of this meteorite fall, will their meteorites come with
> >>>>> export papers like how Canadian falls are handled?
> >>>>
> >>>> Shawn Alan
> >>>> IMCA 1633
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