[meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trap

Sat Feb 18 11:51:48 EST 2012

Hi Doug, Mark and List,

First thanks for all the great replies. I want to point out that I am 
NOT anti- mining. I have been a lifelong Nevada resident and I believe 
that mining and wildlife can co-exist in our State. My main purpose was 
to increase public awareness of this problem. I was saddened by what I 
found in the PVC marker and would like to see the problem cease. I 
believe many of these tragic deaths( if not all) can be avoided. Over 
the years while exploring the deserts of the
Southwest I have crossed paths with many of the PVC markers. Some of 
the valleys are covered with markers as far as the eye can see. Many of 
the claims are long forgotten and the only reminder are the broken 
markers littering the
Desert floor. In fact our State Bird the mountain bluebird has 
frequently fallen victim to these pipes.

Here is a link to an article.  PVC pipes trapping, killing birds by the 
thousands  "A troubling find was that "about half of those markers that 
HAD PROTECTIVE CAPS  put in place at some earlier point in time, now 
had those caps DISPLACED, on the ground nearby," said state biologist 
Christy Klinger. "So the hazard from the pipe became 
re-established."Here is a link to the article.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/22/8955697-pvc-pipes-trapping-killing-birds-by-the-thousands

Sorry for the incomplete post. I have a meteorite hunting trip planned 
today with a small army of PETA types to spread out into the desert 
knocking over snd deatroying other peoplesproperty markers and 
hopefully find a few meteorites. : )

Sonny

-----Original Message-----
From: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com>
To: minador <minador at yahoo.com>; meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 11:11 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw:  PVC death trap

Hi Mark, everyone,It's too bad society needs rules but with so many 
humans overrrunning the wilderness, the best way to deal with it is 
work on a responsible collecting/mining/4-wheeling/detecting/etc. 
personal policy and showcase it for all to see - just like Sonny - then 
regulations are not zealously pursued and the offended find other 
causes more urgently in need and leave us alone.I hear you, but just 
like everything we seem to get involved in that is outdoors, a few bad 
apples can spoil it for the 90%+ of people who really are law abidng 
common sense toting individuals and that is where the regulators are 
forced to move, and in this case people that don't clean up after 
themselfs, maybe because they died, or some other possibly easily 
understandable reason.There are always people with different priorities 
and I agree a bird zealot may seem over the top for a meteorite hunter. 
  But then again, a miner might not appreciate someone snooping over the 
above grounds rights of a meteorite hunter and if enough meteorite 
hunters are in areas with mining claims with enough rotten apples 
acting suspiciously in a place like Gold Basin for example, the PETA 
bird zealot becomes the miner and the meteorite hunter suffers.Who 
said, "common sense is not so common".   It's been that way since I was 
a kid metal detecting.  Even going back to the 1960's Handbook of metal 
detectors (the only outdated book on detectors I found as a 9-year old 
in the library, the advice is "cover your holes!"  same principle, same 
danger, different day ;-)  Look at the bright side of things.  It won't 
give the bird an opportunity to evolve into building human tube traps 
that at night, lost meteorite hunters who are so cold that they scamper 
in them for the crucial welcomed cover thanking their instincts and 
happily fall asleep a little cold, but not frozen, only to wake up in 
the warming sun to find themselves inside a tomb which allows them to 
see the sky but is to slippery to lift themselves out no matter how 
much they beat themselves against the solitary confinement, all they 
while slowly getting cooked alive in a roman style birdmade oven, until 
their shreiks of nervous terror are extinguished by overheating bodies 
and a sudden onset of a peaceful dehydration.Kindest 
wsiehsDoug-----Original Message-----From: Mark Bowling 
<minador at yahoo.com>To: Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net>; cetuspa 
<cetuspa at shaw.ca>; meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:14 
amSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trapHi Count,They made it 
illegal to put up uncapped markers, but because nobody did anythingwith 
the old, markers that define mostly defunct claims (which should have 
beenan obvious outcome), they made all PVC markers illegal. I think 
they should still allow pipe to be used (PVC or otherwise), but that 
itmust be capped.  And they can still allow people to remove (but leave 
in place)any uncapped markers (because they are important boundary 
markers).  I think ablanket outlawing of any use of PVC as a marker is 
an over reaction.  There is astrong anti-mining movement, and it is sad 
to give them the excuse to removeresponsible capped pipes, just because 
the pipe is PVC and they don't likeminers.  I think a common sense 
should be applied. Happy 
hunting,Mark________________________________From: Count Deiro 
<countdeiro at earthlink.net>To: cetuspa at shaw.ca; 
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.comSent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:51 
PMSubject: [meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trapHi List and nature lovers 
in general,Mining provides Nevada with the second largest contribution 
to our State'seconomy in terms of jobs and money. The finding of ore 
bodies and the stakingand recording of those claims is a necessity. The 
use of white Schedule 40 PVCpipes evolved from first using Prince 
Albert tobacco tins to be the mostefficient and economical way of 
marking a claim.Everybody I know likes birds. They look at them. They 
take pictures of them.They paint them, they count them, keep them as 
pets... and they even hunt andeat them. They are a necessity of life 
certainly.So, do we have to pass a state mining regulation requiring 
placing a $1.49 pvccap on the pipe with a couple of taps of a hammer, 
or a swab of pvc glue andsave the little birdies? Or is it better to 
marshal a small army of PETA typesto spread out into the desert 
knocking over snd deatroying other peoplesproperty markers?Jesus must 
weep with the stupidity.Count DeiroIMCA 3536-----Forwarded 
Message----->From: Paul Gessler <>>Sent: Feb 17, 2012 8:06 PM>To: 
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>Subject: [meteorite-list] PVC death 
trap>>That is truly one of the most amazing things I have heard.>I see 
those all the time hunting meteorites and never thought>much of them 
except that I noticed they disintegrate fast in the sun.>Obviously not 
fast enough for these birds. Thank you very much for>posting this and I 
too will leave none standing when I come across>them in the future.  
What kind of birds were they? 14 is just sadly>incredible!>>Paul 
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