[meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 114, Issue 20 reply to Anne Black on provenance
Don Skidmore
Skiddylandhq at aol.com
Mon Dec 10 22:27:02 EST 2012
Topic: Listing of provenance
As a new collector I found Anne's listing of provenance refreshing. I nearly always ask for all prior provenances I can get on a piece and record it. It adds to the story. A meteorite deserves it!?
It saddens me when almost nothing is known on nicer pieces. In situ photos are especially nice and sometimes attainable upon request. Most reputable dealers are provenance enough as to authenticity, but I think the whole line of provenance celebrates an enjoyable aspect of collecting in addition to genuineness. It traces the journey through various hands, National borders, institutions, and collections... Some of the dealers and collectors in that lineage of temporary "ownership" add to the interest for personal reasons (numerous individuals come to mind) as well as adding in some cases monetary value. To some meteorite collecting combines geology, astronomy, history, and also, for me at least, humanity -as I come to know and appreciate the characters in the meteorite community. You folks have become part of this fascinating meteorite story... (active primary sources are sadly, but understandably kept private of course) When /if I begin one day to sell my collection the provenance will be shared and even celebrated!
Don Skidmore
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 09:11:18 -0800
> From: Mendy Ouzillou <ouzillou at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteoritefragments.com
> To: Gary Fujihara <fujmon at mac.com>
> Cc: "jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk" <jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk>,
> "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"
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> Anyone else notice the completely incorrect captions associated with the photos?
>
> Can we just call this person out for what they are? SWINDLER.
>
> They sell cheap real meteorites to lend credibility to their more expensive fake stuff.
>
> Next question: how do we shut them down on eBay?
>
> Mendy Ouzillou
>
> On Dec 8, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Gary Fujihara <fujmon at mac.com> wrote:
>
> What is curious to me about this website, is that the owner is using my photos without permission. However, I allow use of my photos of meteorites that I have sold, to the person I have sold them to. This permission has no implied transferability.
>
> But I object most to this website offering a Winona meteorite fragment that I sold. It shows the exact same fragment, in a photo taken by me. The problem is that the fragment was sold to another person, who verified to me personally that they still have in their possession.
>
> gary
>
> On Dec 8, 2012, at 6:23 AM, Bob Loeffler <bobl at peaktopeak.com> wrote:
>
>> And the website's About Us page says:
>>
>> "Meteoritefragments.com is a British company that was originally formed in
>> 1996 by Alexandra Douthwaite who graduated with a geological science degree
>> at Edinburgh university in the same year. Since then the company has grown
>> from strength to strength with a vast collection of all types of meteorites
>> and is now one of the market leaders in the sale of genuine meteorite
>> fragments."
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bob L
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
>> jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk
>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 5:22 AM
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] meteoritefragments.com
>>
>> whois data lists a rodney taylor in sunnyvale CA as admin contact
>> http://www.who.is/whois/meteoritefragments.com
>> 2424
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> Gary Fujihara
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> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 12:15:53 -0500
> From: MikeG <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteoritefragments.com
> To: Mendy Ouzillou <ouzillou at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, "jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk"
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> Meteoritefragments.com is a load of something - and it isn't meteorites.
>
> "Market leaders" don't need to steal other people's photos without permission.
>
> And I don't care who graduated from where with what kind of degree - a
> degree just implies how big somebody's bucket is. It says nothing
> about what that bucket is filled with. Apparently they didn't teach
> intellectual property theft or plagiarism at that university.
>
> Best regards,
>
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> On 12/8/12, Mendy Ouzillou <ouzillou at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Anyone else notice the completely incorrect captions associated with the
>> photos?
>>
>> Can we just call this person out for what they are? SWINDLER.
>>
>> They sell cheap real meteorites to lend credibility to their more expensive
>> fake stuff.
>>
>> Next question: how do we shut them down on eBay?
>>
>> Mendy Ouzillou
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Gary Fujihara <fujmon at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> What is curious to me about this website, is that the owner is using my
>> photos without permission. However, I allow use of my photos of meteorites
>> that I have sold, to the person I have sold them to. This permission has no
>> implied transferability.
>>
>> But I object most to this website offering a Winona meteorite fragment that
>> I sold. It shows the exact same fragment, in a photo taken by me. The
>> problem is that the fragment was sold to another person, who verified to me
>> personally that they still have in their possession.
>>
>> gary
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2012, at 6:23 AM, Bob Loeffler <bobl at peaktopeak.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And the website's About Us page says:
>>>
>>> "Meteoritefragments.com is a British company that was originally formed
>>> in
>>> 1996 by Alexandra Douthwaite who graduated with a geological science
>>> degree
>>> at Edinburgh university in the same year. Since then the company has
>>> grown
>>> from strength to strength with a vast collection of all types of
>>> meteorites
>>> and is now one of the market leaders in the sale of genuine meteorite
>>> fragments."
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Bob L
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
>>> jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 5:22 AM
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] meteoritefragments.com
>>>
>>> whois data lists a rodney taylor in sunnyvale CA as admin contact
>>> http://www.who.is/whois/meteoritefragments.com
>>> 2424
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>>
>> Gary Fujihara
>> Big Kahuna Meteorites
>> PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720
>> (808) 640-9161
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>> http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 12:27:26 -0500
> From: MikeG <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteoritefragments.com
> To: Mendy Ouzillou <ouzillou at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, "jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk"
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> Hi All,
>
> I just checked again. My photos have been taken down and replaced
> with others. So, my personal dog is out of this fight. :)
>
> I still wouldn't touch anything on that website with the proverbial
> 10-foot pole.
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
>
>
> On 12/8/12, MikeG <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Meteoritefragments.com is a load of something - and it isn't meteorites.
>>
>> "Market leaders" don't need to steal other people's photos without
>> permission.
>>
>> And I don't care who graduated from where with what kind of degree - a
>> degree just implies how big somebody's bucket is. It says nothing
>> about what that bucket is filled with. Apparently they didn't teach
>> intellectual property theft or plagiarism at that university.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
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>> On 12/8/12, Mendy Ouzillou <ouzillou at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Anyone else notice the completely incorrect captions associated with the
>>> photos?
>>>
>>> Can we just call this person out for what they are? SWINDLER.
>>>
>>> They sell cheap real meteorites to lend credibility to their more
>>> expensive
>>> fake stuff.
>>>
>>> Next question: how do we shut them down on eBay?
>>>
>>> Mendy Ouzillou
>>>
>>> On Dec 8, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Gary Fujihara <fujmon at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What is curious to me about this website, is that the owner is using my
>>> photos without permission. However, I allow use of my photos of
>>> meteorites
>>> that I have sold, to the person I have sold them to. This permission has
>>> no
>>> implied transferability.
>>>
>>> But I object most to this website offering a Winona meteorite fragment
>>> that
>>> I sold. It shows the exact same fragment, in a photo taken by me. The
>>> problem is that the fragment was sold to another person, who verified to
>>> me
>>> personally that they still have in their possession.
>>>
>>> gary
>>>
>>> On Dec 8, 2012, at 6:23 AM, Bob Loeffler <bobl at peaktopeak.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And the website's About Us page says:
>>>>
>>>> "Meteoritefragments.com is a British company that was originally formed
>>>> in
>>>> 1996 by Alexandra Douthwaite who graduated with a geological science
>>>> degree
>>>> at Edinburgh university in the same year. Since then the company has
>>>> grown
>>>> from strength to strength with a vast collection of all types of
>>>> meteorites
>>>> and is now one of the market leaders in the sale of genuine meteorite
>>>> fragments."
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Bob L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 5:22 AM
>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] meteoritefragments.com
>>>>
>>>> whois data lists a rodney taylor in sunnyvale CA as admin contact
>>>> http://www.who.is/whois/meteoritefragments.com
>>>> 2424
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>>>
>>> Gary Fujihara
>>> Big Kahuna Meteorites
>>> PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720
>>> (808) 640-9161
>>> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
>>> http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 11:17:51 -0700
> From: "Bob Loeffler" <bobl at peaktopeak.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay,
> and with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the
> past
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
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> HI all,
>
> I think that anyone who asks an IMCA dealer for provenance of a specimen
> should expect to get it. IMCA member dealers should be held to a higher
> authority if they want to be respected as IMCA members. I would think that
> this is part of membership, but I could be wrong (since I'm not a member).
> If IMCA member dealers don't give out provenance when asked for it, this
> could be considered deception... which looks bad on them and the IMCA. Or
> maybe I'm missing out on what the IMCA is about. This is what the first two
> sentences on the IMCA home page says:
>
> "The International Meteorite Collectors Association (IMCA Inc.) has one
> primary purpose: helping Meteorite Collectors in their search for Authentic
> Meteorites for their collections and assisting others in helping to learn
> more about meteorites. Whether they are new to the Meteorite World or very
> knowledgeable, we want all Collectors to buy/trade with confidence from our
> Members, knowing that every item will be exactly what it is represented to
> be."
>
> It seems pretty obvious to me. How can we, as buyers, buy WITH CONFIDENCE
> when the seller doesn't provide information when requested? If there are
> "trade secrets" (e.g. "Exactly where was the specimen found?" when the
> finder hasn't disclosed that info), then I understand why a dealer wouldn't
> disclose that info. But provenance should not be considered a trade secret.
> I'm not trying to single out Shawn. I've never had any dealings with him and
> I'm sure he is a good person, so I am just saying all of this "in general"
> for all of the meteorite community. If you look at Anne Black's website
> (http://www.impactika.com/MetList.htm), you will see that she mentions the
> provenance for about 95% of her stock.
>
> For those who are worried that a potential buyer will go over a dealer's
> head directly to the source, the source person has probably not dealt with
> the potential buyer (otherwise they would already be in discussions), and
> the source person will not want to have to deal with a new person because
> there is a lot of risk when starting up a business rapport with a new buyer.
>
> BTW, I don't know Bill and have never dealt with him either, so I'm not
> taking his side because of anything personal.
>
> Just my $0.02 worth...
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob L
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bill kies
> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:06 PM
> To: photophlow at yahoo.com
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and
> with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
>
>
> Shawn,
>
> You are a member of the IMCA. I shouldn't have to do homework when I buy
> from you. When I ask for provenance in advance you should cheerfully provide
> it. I never questioned the authenticity of your material. I only asked for
> assurance prior to making a bid.
>
> Is there really anyone that's going to try and undermine you at the source?
> Maybe, but I'm not one to pulverize micro's and I knew of your sources
> before you even considered meteorite collecting. I'll look up our private
> discussion on ebay if it's still there and let you decide who initiated
> rudeness. I believe I have it in a file somewhere.
>
> Seasoned Gratings,
> Bill
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 21:36:41 -0800
>> From: photophlow at yahoo.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and
> with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
>> To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com
>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>
>> Bill if you did your homework you would see I posted my provinces in the
> past on the LIST, but wait that would matter cause you have no intensions of
> buying from me. Lastly, if I was rude to you on eBay, it was because you
> were rude to me first. You have a great night Bill and happy holidays to you
> Bill :)
>>
>> Shawn Alan
>> IMCA 1633
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: bill kies <parkforestmet at hotmail.com>
>> To: photophlow at yahoo.com
>> Cc: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:49 PM
>> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and
> with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
>>
>>
>> 1633,
>>
>> I don't recollect ever ganging up against you with anyone here or
> elsewhere. I simply asked for provenance concerning one of your ebay
> offerings and you were as rude through ebay, without knowing me there, as
> you are without knowing me here.
>>
>> I don't expect you to explain yourself. I cringe at the thought. I only
> asked that you explain the origins of your crumbs before I bid. And by the
> way, I doubt dropping names will help you join "the best in the bizzness".
>>
>> Just Plain Bill
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 20:22:05 -0800
>>> From: photophlow at yahoo.com
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay,
> and with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
>>> To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com
>>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>
>>> Billy Billy Billy Billllllllllllllllllllllll
>>>
>>> Your too much. your going to do this again..... Its funny, not to long
> ago you did this with some other member on the List and tried to gang up on
> me. Bill, you know this and I know this, you have never bought a meteorite
> from me and you will never will. I have been contacted by people in the past
> and the only reason why they want to know where I got the meteorite from, is
> so they can go to that source and never buy from me. Any WHOS, I buy from
> the best, ask Anne, Blain, Matt Morgan, Rob Elliot, EV, Mr Blood to name a
> few :) and I have done trades with the best in the bizzness. I do not need
> to explain myself to you BILL and I have already explained many times where
> I get my meteorites from on the List.
>>>
>>> Shawn Alan
>>> IMCA 1633
>>> eBay store
>>> http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: bill kies <parkforestmet at hotmail.com>
>>> To: photophlow at yahoo.com
>>> Cc: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 7:57 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay,
> and with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
>>>
>>>
>>> Shawn,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the clarification. I feel safe now. On another note, I'd like
> to know why you refuse provenance until after your sales. I'd like to know
> the source before I bid. Not too much to ask I think. You explained that
> prospective buyers might try to circumvent you if they know your source but
> I don't think that applies to some of your micro offerings as they are so
> incredibly rare. Please explain further.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill
>>>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 13:37:39 -0500
> From: MikeG <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay,
> and with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the
> past
> To: Bob Loeffler <bobl at peaktopeak.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi Bob and List,
>
> I think your point is true for all dealers. If asked, a dealer should
> provide provenance information, regardless of whether they are an IMCA
> member or not.
>
> I can only speak for myself here - I give out provenance information
> if asked. However, I do not plaster it all over my website as a
> matter of policy. Why? Not for the most-commonly cited reason. Some
> dealers will say, I don't trumpet my sources because I am afraid
> potential buyers will cut me out of the loop and buy directly from my
> source. In my case, I am not worried about that. Many of my buyers
> come to me because they can spend $5 and get a rare micro. Chances
> are, if they could afford a larger specimen from somewhere else, they
> wouldn't be shopping on my website.
>
> I guard my sources because of meteorite politics - plain and simple.
> Some of my sources don't like each other. Some of my sources have
> sources who don't like me. To prevent friction between sources, I
> tend to keep quiet about where I get certain material. This makes
> everything work more smoothly. It's a shame, but that is one of the
> dirty sides of meteorite dealing - politics. There is a lot of drama,
> back-stabbing, and character assassination that goes on within the
> meteorite dealer world. And I don't want one of my sources getting
> into trouble/drama because somebody else who doesn't like me finds out
> about where I get a given meteorite. A buyer or potential buyer has a
> right to provenance information - John Q. Public who has no intention
> of buying does not.
>
> Shawn Alan provided extensive provenance information on his sources
> via this List in the past. I am satisfied with what he provided.
> That said, I would not have done what he did. I would have said "Are
> you buying something? No? Then none of your beeswax where I get my
> material from." If that scares off a few potential buyers, so be it.
> That's how I roll.
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
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>
>
> On 12/8/12, Bob Loeffler <bobl at peaktopeak.com> wrote:
>> HI all,
>>
>> I think that anyone who asks an IMCA dealer for provenance of a specimen
>> should expect to get it. IMCA member dealers should be held to a higher
>> authority if they want to be respected as IMCA members. I would think that
>> this is part of membership, but I could be wrong (since I'm not a member).
>> If IMCA member dealers don't give out provenance when asked for it, this
>> could be considered deception... which looks bad on them and the IMCA. Or
>> maybe I'm missing out on what the IMCA is about. This is what the first
>> two
>> sentences on the IMCA home page says:
>>
>> "The International Meteorite Collectors Association (IMCA Inc.) has one
>> primary purpose: helping Meteorite Collectors in their search for Authentic
>> Meteorites for their collections and assisting others in helping to learn
>> more about meteorites. Whether they are new to the Meteorite World or very
>> knowledgeable, we want all Collectors to buy/trade with confidence from our
>> Members, knowing that every item will be exactly what it is represented to
>> be."
>>
>> It seems pretty obvious to me. How can we, as buyers, buy WITH CONFIDENCE
>> when the seller doesn't provide information when requested? If there are
>> "trade secrets" (e.g. "Exactly where was the specimen found?" when the
>> finder hasn't disclosed that info), then I understand why a dealer wouldn't
>> disclose that info. But provenance should not be considered a trade
>> secret.
>> I'm not trying to single out Shawn. I've never had any dealings with him
>> and
>> I'm sure he is a good person, so I am just saying all of this "in general"
>> for all of the meteorite community. If you look at Anne Black's website
>> (http://www.impactika.com/MetList.htm), you will see that she mentions the
>> provenance for about 95% of her stock.
>>
>> For those who are worried that a potential buyer will go over a dealer's
>> head directly to the source, the source person has probably not dealt with
>> the potential buyer (otherwise they would already be in discussions), and
>> the source person will not want to have to deal with a new person because
>> there is a lot of risk when starting up a business rapport with a new
>> buyer.
>>
>> BTW, I don't know Bill and have never dealt with him either, so I'm not
>> taking his side because of anything personal.
>>
>> Just my $0.02 worth...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bob L
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bill kies
>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:06 PM
>> To: photophlow at yahoo.com
>> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and
>> with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
>>
>>
>> Shawn,
>>
>> You are a member of the IMCA. I shouldn't have to do homework when I buy
>> from you. When I ask for provenance in advance you should cheerfully
>> provide
>> it. I never questioned the authenticity of your material. I only asked for
>> assurance prior to making a bid.
>>
>> Is there really anyone that's going to try and undermine you at the source?
>> Maybe, but I'm not one to pulverize micro's and I knew of your sources
>> before you even considered meteorite collecting. I'll look up our private
>> discussion on ebay if it's still there and let you decide who initiated
>> rudeness. I believe I have it in a file somewhere.
>>
>> Seasoned Gratings,
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 21:36:41 -0800
>>> From: photophlow at yahoo.com
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay,
>>> and
>> with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
>>> To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com
>>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>
>>> Bill if you did your homework you would see I posted my provinces in the
>> past on the LIST, but wait that would matter cause you have no intensions
>> of
>> buying from me. Lastly, if I was rude to you on eBay, it was because you
>> were rude to me first. You have a great night Bill and happy holidays to
>> you
>> Bill :)
>>>
>>> Shawn Alan
>>> IMCA 1633
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: bill kies <parkforestmet at hotmail.com>
>>> To: photophlow at yahoo.com
>>> Cc: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:49 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay,
>>> and
>> with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
>>>
>>>
>>> 1633,
>>>
>>> I don't recollect ever ganging up against you with anyone here or
>> elsewhere. I simply asked for provenance concerning one of your ebay
>> offerings and you were as rude through ebay, without knowing me there, as
>> you are without knowing me here.
>>>
>>> I don't expect you to explain yourself. I cringe at the thought. I only
>> asked that you explain the origins of your crumbs before I bid. And by the
>> way, I doubt dropping names will help you join "the best in the bizzness".
>>>
>>> Just Plain Bill
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 20:22:05 -0800
>>>> From: photophlow at yahoo.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay,
>> and with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
>>>> To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com
>>>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>
>>>> Billy Billy Billy Billllllllllllllllllllllll
>>>>
>>>> Your too much. your going to do this again..... Its funny, not to long
>> ago you did this with some other member on the List and tried to gang up on
>> me. Bill, you know this and I know this, you have never bought a meteorite
>> from me and you will never will. I have been contacted by people in the
>> past
>> and the only reason why they want to know where I got the meteorite from,
>> is
>> so they can go to that source and never buy from me. Any WHOS, I buy from
>> the best, ask Anne, Blain, Matt Morgan, Rob Elliot, EV, Mr Blood to name a
>> few :) and I have done trades with the best in the bizzness. I do not need
>> to explain myself to you BILL and I have already explained many times where
>> I get my meteorites from on the List.
>>>>
>>>> Shawn Alan
>>>> IMCA 1633
>>>> eBay store
>>>> http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: bill kies <parkforestmet at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: photophlow at yahoo.com
>>>> Cc: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 7:57 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay,
>> and with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Shawn,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the clarification. I feel safe now. On another note, I'd
>>>> like
>> to know why you refuse provenance until after your sales. I'd like to know
>> the source before I bid. Not too much to ask I think. You explained that
>> prospective buyers might try to circumvent you if they know your source but
>> I don't think that applies to some of your micro offerings as they are so
>> incredibly rare. Please explain further.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 15:51:35 -0500
> From: MikeG <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - New Impactites (Serpent Mound, Ries,
> Dellen, others) and Meteorite Micros (early Saharans, rare types)
> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Hi Friends and Collectors,
>
> I have some awesome new arrivals to announce. Before I do, let me
> state the usual and the obvious - Christmas is fast approaching. If
> you live outside the US or Canada, you are running out of time to
> receive a package before the holiday. First Class International
> shipping to Australia, Japan, and some countries far from the US can
> take 10-12 days. For those of you in the Canada, Europe, and the USA
> - there is still plenty of time. Priority International outside the
> US and Canada typically takes about 5-8 days.
>
> As always, use coupon code "metlist" at checkout to get 20% off your
> entire order. I have had reports of the checkout system crashing
> during the process or when it switches over to PayPal's part of the
> final checkout. If you have any problem, contact me via email and let
> me know. I am working with my host to chase down the gremlins loose
> in the system.
>
>
> New Impactite Arrivals :
>
> Huge Fossiliferous Serpent Mound Shattercone -
> http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/serpent-mound-crater--huge-shattercone-w-fossils-883g
>
> Dellen Crater impact breccia -
> http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/dellen-crater--thick-slab-of-suevite-impact-breccia-194g
>
> Gardnos Crater impact breccia -
> http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/gardnos-norway-crater--thick-slab-of-suevite-impact-breccia-161g
>
> Ries Crater impact breccia with glassy clasts -
> http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/ries-germany-crater--suevite-endcut-w-melt-glass-clasts-77g
>
> Ries Crater "flaedle" glass bomb -
> http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/ries-germany-crater--flaedle-glass-bomb-impactite-56g
>
> Ries Crater "red suevite" (pinkish actually) impact breccia -
> http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/ries-germany-crater--red-suevite-impact-breccia-48g
>
>
> New Micromounts :
>
> Sahara 99034 (1999 unclassified chondrite) -
> http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/sahara-99034--rare-lost-early-saharan-meteorite-from-1999-micromount
>
> NWA 5437 (L/LL3.5 chondrite) -
> http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-5437--rare-lll35-meteorite-from-morocco-2008-micromount
>
> NWA 285 (early provisional chondrite) -
> http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-285--early-provisional-saharan-chondrite-micromounts
>
> Jepara (pallasite) -
> http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/jepara--odd-new-pallasite-meteorite-from-indonesia-micromounts
>
>
> Other New Arrivals :
>
> Alethopteris Fossil Fern plate -
> http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/alethopteris--fossil-fern-plate-carboniferous-period-300mya
>
> All new specimens -
> http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/brand-new?pagesize=60&s=title&page=1
>
>
> If you have any questions feel free to ask. :)
>
> Best regards and thanks for looking!
>
> MikeG
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 16:08:04 -0500 (EST)
> From: Anne Black <impactika at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay,
> and with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the
> past
> To: bobl at peaktopeak.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID: <8CFA39F3F9E4A1D-18DC-21AC5 at webmail-m101.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> Thank Bob,
> But the link you posted is VERY outdated, please use this one:
> http://www.impactika.com/
> And then you can click on any of the links at the top of the page.
>
> And yes I do list the provenance of the pieces I sell right there on my
> site. I started doing that a few years ago when very rare specimens
> with missing or fraudulent provenance started to show up, people who
> have been here a while will remember that. And I have never had any
> problems due to that decision.
>
> My "sources" have never complained to me, some of my competitiors did
> complain, loudly! but not my sources, and I just bought a collection of
> over 700 pieces from a long-time collector with many different sources
> (that I do list), some of those pieces are now listed and again no
> complaint from the sources.
>
> However I have received many emails thanking me from collectors, I got
> another one just this morning!
>
> Conclusion: I will keep on listing the provenances, and I will keep on
> asking my sources for their sources too. To me it is simply the right
> thing to do.
>
>
> Anne M. Black
> www.IMPACTIKA.com
> IMPACTIKA at aol.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Loeffler <bobl at peaktopeak.com>
> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 11:17 am
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay,
> and with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
>
>
> HI all,
>
> I think that anyone who asks an IMCA dealer for provenance of a specimen
> should expect to get it. IMCA member dealers should be held to a higher
> authority if they want to be respected as IMCA members. I would think
> that
> this is part of membership, but I could be wrong (since I'm not a
> member).
> If IMCA member dealers don't give out provenance when asked for it, this
> could be considered deception... which looks bad on them and the IMCA.
> Or
> maybe I'm missing out on what the IMCA is about. This is what the
> first two
> sentences on the IMCA home page says:
>
> "The International Meteorite Collectors Association (IMCA Inc.) has one
> primary purpose: helping Meteorite Collectors in their search for
> Authentic
> Meteorites for their collections and assisting others in helping to
> learn
> more about meteorites. Whether they are new to the Meteorite World or
> very
> knowledgeable, we want all Collectors to buy/trade with confidence from
> our
> Members, knowing that every item will be exactly what it is represented
> to
> be."
>
> It seems pretty obvious to me. How can we, as buyers, buy WITH
> CONFIDENCE
> when the seller doesn't provide information when requested? If there
> are
> "trade secrets" (e.g. "Exactly where was the specimen found?" when the
> finder hasn't disclosed that info), then I understand why a dealer
> wouldn't
> disclose that info. But provenance should not be considered a trade
> secret.
> I'm not trying to single out Shawn. I've never had any dealings with
> him and
> I'm sure he is a good person, so I am just saying all of this "in
> general"
> for all of the meteorite community. If you look at Anne Black's website
> (http://www.impactika.com/MetList.htm), you will see that she mentions
> the
> provenance for about 95% of her stock.
>
> For those who are worried that a potential buyer will go over a dealer's
> head directly to the source, the source person has probably not dealt
> with
> the potential buyer (otherwise they would already be in discussions),
> and
> the source person will not want to have to deal with a new person
> because
> there is a lot of risk when starting up a business rapport with a new
> buyer.
>
> BTW, I don't know Bill and have never dealt with him either, so I'm not
> taking his side because of anything personal.
>
> Just my $0.02 worth...
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob L
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bill
> kies
> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:06 PM
> To: photophlow at yahoo.com
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay,
> and
> with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
>
>
> Shawn,
>
> You are a member of the IMCA. I shouldn't have to do homework when I buy
> from you. When I ask for provenance in advance you should cheerfully
> provide
> it. I never questioned the authenticity of your material. I only asked
> for
> assurance prior to making a bid.
>
> Is there really anyone that's going to try and undermine you at the
> source?
> Maybe, but I'm not one to pulverize micro's and I knew of your sources
> before you even considered meteorite collecting. I'll look up our
> private
> discussion on ebay if it's still there and let you decide who initiated
> rudeness. I believe I have it in a file somewhere.
>
> Seasoned Gratings,
> Bill
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 13:36:59 -0800
> From: "Rob Wesel" <nakhladog at comcast.net>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Coins Sent and Last Call for
> Christmas Delivery
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID: <25F3A6C1E1CB4E11818EF8F1E9365A0E at RobOffice>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hello all-
>
> All the coins ordered up to this morning have now been shipped and I would
> like to thank all that ordered. My first time using the PayPal shopping cart
> and while it worked well I did not get to type the little messages and thank
> you's during the transaction.
>
> To any who still might want one in their stocking or to put in their
> friend's I am posting last call for Christmas delivery.
>
> http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/catalog/holcoin.htm
>
> Happy Holidays
>
> Rob Wesel
> ------------------
> Nakhla Dog Meteorites
> www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
> www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites
> www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel
> ------------------
> We are the music makers...
> and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> Willy Wonka, 1971
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 22:42:57 +0000
> From: rachid chaoui <chaouirachid81 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Sales;LOT OC for sale
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <CACAe9ojDm7X--s_iLB=T_jvM06FHshSEEfrGU5Q-su6z-vkHuQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hello Lists
> i have an lot OC for sale at good price ,feel free to contacte me
> privately if you are interested
> All the best
>
>
> Rachid Chaoui
> IMCA # 4157
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 15:15:44 -0800
> From: "Mendy Ouzillou" <ouzillou at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: AML specimens, Moapa Valley, Bondoc,
> Buzzard Coulee, large Boxhole, NWA 5717n NWA 6619
> To: "'met-list'" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID: <147501cdd599$f359beb0$da0d3c10$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I just added some more specimens including an AML Owasco specimen. I also
> have an Etter Texas 124.4g slice with AML specimen card but was not able to
> list it on eBay due to exceeding my $$ limit. If interested contact me off
> list.
>
> These eBay auctions in 24 hours: http://bit.ly/UElsbR
> 1) Bondoc: various specimens with bright fresh metal, loaded with olivines.
> One slice even has a nodule.
> 2) Buzzard Coulee: various fresh specimens directly from the finder who
> lives in the area of the fall. Copy of export papers provided to the winning
> bidder.
> 3) Moapa Valley: 0.7g fragment (2 sides flat from cut) ex Sonny Clary.
> 4) Potter w/ Nininger number painted on: This slice came to me in three
> pieces but has a Nininger number on it that was meticulously written on the
> side of one of the pieces. The number is intact.
> 5) Owasco: 8.6g with hand-painted Huss number and matching AML specimen card
> 6) NWA 5717 Chondrite-UNG: 5.09g. Dual litho, fresh metal and armored
> chondrules. Comes with Darryl Pitt specimen card
> 7) Boxhole: 429g, large sculptural specimen.
> 8) NWA 6619 (CV3): 64.8g end piece. Comes with Mirko Graul specimen card.
>
> Thank you for looking (and an advance thank you for bidding)!
>
> Mendy Ouzillou
> IMCA #8395
> MetSoc member
> Native English Reviewer for Meteorites Scientific Journal
> (http://www.meteorites.pwr.wroc.pl/magazine.html)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 17:14:35 -0800 (PST)
> From: Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: HONOLULU, Ensishiem, Nakhla, Tabor, Wold
> Cottage, L'Aigle, BENLD, Luce & more ending soon on eBay
> To: Meteorite Central <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID:
> <1355015675.51052.YahooMailNeo at web162605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hello Listers,
>
> Thank you for taking a look at my post of meteorites
> I have for sale on eBay. Here is your chance to own some rare and historic
> meteorites. Please take a look and if you have any questions or OFFERS
> & /or TRADES, please email me and I'll get back with you. Also if you are
> looking for bigger/smaller meteorites, let me know too. A meteorite is a
> meteorite, but a meteorite with history and a legacy, will always add aura
> to your meteorite collection and value.
>
> New eBay Store
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html
>
> Featured Meteorites
> ?
> 7 Historic meteorite falls LOT - Ensisheim, Tabor, Albareto, Luce, Barbotan ....
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251188753448?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
> ?
> HONOLULU meteorite fall from 1825 1st Hawaii meteorite fall very rare!
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251196734956?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
> ?
> STANNERN historic meteorite fall-1808 very important and rare meteorite fall!
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251195756752?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
> ?
> COLD BOKKEVELD meteorite fall 1838 - Very Rare - 1st CM2 meteorite fall!
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251195272354?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
> ?
> NAKHLA Martian/Mars meteorite - 1911 Fall-SUPER RARE! KING OF MARTIAN METEORITES
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251196693487?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
> ?
> LEIGHLINBRIDGE meteorite fall 1999 - TKW 271g from Ireland. Super Rare 287mg
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251193446213?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
> ?
> VALERA 508mg Cow killing HAMMER STONE meteorite - rare fall with documentation!
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251195274921?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
> ?
> BARBOTAN rare historic meteorite hammer fall -1790 France - Killed a Man!
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251189614361?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
> ?
> Shawn Alan
> IMCA 1633
> eBay Store
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html
> http://www.meteoritefalls.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2012 20:52:34 -0800
> From: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sales;LOT OC for sale
> To: rachid chaoui <chaouirachid81 at gmail.com>, Meteorite List
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID: <CCE95912.2A99C%mlblood at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Greetings Rachid,
> Perhaps you could inform those of us who aren't quite "up on"
> The terminology; what does "lot of OC" stand for?
> Please post to the list as I doubt I am the only knucklehead
> Among the members.
> RSVP
> Thanks, Michael
>
> On 12/8/12 2:42 PM, "rachid chaoui" <chaouirachid81 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Lists
>> i have an lot OC for sale at good price ,feel free to contacte me
>> privately if you are interested
>> All the best
>>
>>
>> Rachid Chaoui
>> IMCA # 4157
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2012 23:10:26 -0600
> From: "Brandon D." <b1dunovant at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sales;LOT OC for sale
> To: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>, rachid chaoui
> <chaouirachid81 at gmail.com>, Meteorite List
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID: <vcawqnq8yyaabn8n3dyt8yar.1355029826464 at email.android.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> I would take "lot of OC" to mean a lot of ordinary chondrites. Could be wrong, but don't think I am.
>
> Regards,
> Brandon D.
>
> Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Greetings Rachid,
>> Perhaps you could inform those of us who aren't quite "up on"
>> The terminology; what does "lot of OC" stand for?
>> Please post to the list as I doubt I am the only knucklehead
>> Among the members.
>> RSVP
>> Thanks, Michael
>>
>> On 12/8/12 2:42 PM, "rachid chaoui" <chaouirachid81 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Lists
>>> i have an lot OC for sale at good price ,feel free to contacte me
>>> privately if you are interested
>>> All the best
>>>
>>>
>>> Rachid Chaoui
>>> IMCA # 4157
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>>>
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>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 12:29:03 +0400
> From: "A.V.Leonenko" <alphoto at rambler.ru>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Hunting on the plateau Karnab.
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID: <1355041743.707505.3588.54891 at saddam3.rambler.ru>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed"
>
>
> Hi all!
> I think it will be interesting to see the hunters.
> http://www.meteoritics.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=735
> (Paste this link into Google translator from Russian to English)
>
> Yours faithfully.
> Aleksandr.
> Navoi ?ity.
> Uzbekistan.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 04:00:02 -0700
> From: <valparint at aol.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID: <FE80F30E0D6646B09B443A21D9A9BEB3 at vpoffsiteweb.local>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 1465
>
> Contributed by: Stephan Kambach
>
> http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 12:28:16 +0100
> From: Carsten Giessler <Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions Ending Today
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID: <50C475D0.10406 at t-online.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed
>
> Hello List,
>
> i have some auctions at Ebay ending today:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Meteorite-NWA-7226-Beautiful-Chondrite-L3-Nice-Slice-6-7g-/221161391843?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337e3f06e3
>
> Many thanks for viewing!
>
> Best greetings,
>
> Carsten
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 08:30:00 -0500
> From: Tom Randall <tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Indian dinosaurs were not killed by
> meteorites
> To: Meteorite list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID: <50C49258.9080307 at hvc.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> http://bit.ly/SIBMWY
>
> Regards!
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 09:10:09 -0500
> From: "Don Merchant" <dmerchan at rochester.rr.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Admire Pallasite Destruction!---Conclusion
> follow-up
> To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Cc: Don Merchant <dmerchan at rochester.rr.com>
> Message-ID: <000901cdd616$e6321980$6401a8c0 at donaldmerchant>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hi List. Well after several attempts and several weeks to contact the Seller
> of his supposed stable Admire Pallasite he sold me, there has been no reply
> back in any way shape or form. Only silence. Hmmm, go figure. Service after
> the Sale I guess...got to love it. Wasn't looking for a refund, just a few
> answers or at the least a reply back. Funny, when I was first interested in
> this piece, I had sent an email with some questions, boy HOW FAST the Seller
> was in getting back to me! Now that I had purchased it and then questioned
> his claim of stability of his Admire piece by sending before and after
> pictures, you don't hear peep or boo after the sale. Just my final update on
> this to the List
> Sincerely
> Don Merchant
> Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
> www.ctreasurescwonders.com
> IMCA #0960
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 08:19:56 -0800
> From: "Mendy Ouzillou" <ouzillou at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: AML specimens, Moapa Valley, Bondoc,
> Buzzard Coulee, large Boxhole, NWA 5717 and NWA 6619
> To: "'met-list'" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID: <153a01cdd629$07e517f0$17af47d0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> These eBay auctions end in 4 hours ...
>
> http://bit.ly/UElsbR
> Mendy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mendy
> Ouzillou
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 3:16 PM
> To: 'met-list'
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: AML specimens, Moapa Valley, Bondoc,
> Buzzard Coulee, large Boxhole, NWA 5717n NWA 6619
>
> I just added some more specimens including an AML Owasco specimen. I also
> have an Etter Texas 124.4g slice with AML specimen card but was not able to
> list it on eBay due to exceeding my $$ limit. If interested contact me off
> list.
> These eBay auctions in 24 hours: http://bit.ly/UElsbR
> 1) Bondoc: various specimens with bright fresh metal, loaded with olivines.
> One slice even has a nodule.
> 2) Buzzard Coulee: various fresh specimens directly from the finder who
> lives in the area of the fall. Copy of export papers provided to the winning
> bidder.
> 3) Moapa Valley: 0.7g fragment (2 sides flat from cut) ex Sonny Clary.
> 4) Potter w/ Nininger number painted on: This slice came to me in three
> pieces but has a Nininger number on it that was meticulously written on the
> side of one of the pieces. The number is intact.
> 5) Owasco: 8.6g with hand-painted Huss number and matching AML specimen card
> 6) NWA 5717 Chondrite-UNG: 5.09g. Dual litho, fresh metal and armored
> chondrules. Comes with Darryl Pitt specimen card
> 7) Boxhole: 429g, large sculptural specimen.
> 8) NWA 6619 (CV3): 64.8g end piece. Comes with Mirko Graul specimen card.
>
> Thank you for looking (and an advance thank you for bidding)!
>
> Mendy Ouzillou
> IMCA #8395
> MetSoc member
> Native English Reviewer for Meteorites Scientific Journal
> (http://www.meteorites.pwr.wroc.pl/magazine.html)
>
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