[meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?

[MexicoDoug]

"Would a meteorite that landed on a paved road be considered a hammer 
stone"

By Michael's definition of this concept of "hammer", why would you 
require the road to be paved?  Nothing magic about asphalt.  Macadam, 
gravel, graded dirt; etc. they all work.  And for that matter, anything 
that lands on improved land, so every corn and buckwheat patch is a 
hammer (or if it goes under, a plow).

Now, here's another silly question about a concept when over-used:

Does a meteorite have to be a witnessed fall to be a hammer?  By 
witnessed, I don't mean the morning-after kind.  Suppose this guy finds 
a meteor(oid?) snagged in the top of this half kilometer tower he free 
climbs?:

electrifying scientific video:
http://io9.com/5639113/

Is it a meteoroid/ite hammer?

Now back to maximum silliness; Michael calls the Pena Blanca spgs a 
hammer, well then, so is Lake Okeechobee's hammerstones , which were 
dragged up relatively fresh considering from a lake, though never seen 
falling in.  The "lake is 100% dammed up by the Great Wall of Florida 
(9 meters high and over 225 kilometers in length plus a network of 
draining canals and natural waterways that have been rerouted) would 
just be an amorphorous natural swamp.  So man's controlling finger is 
evident and it's not even a witnessed fall! - a first of its kind for a 
hammer, sort of.

Now, if what hits water isn't a hammer, I get first dibs on naming it 
(beat ya Michael!!!).  They are TORPEDOS.  Before you scoff at the 
concept, just remember over 70% of the meteorites landing  errrr.....  
splashing down ...  on earth are TORPEDOS!

Kindest wishes
Doug



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com>
To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 3:16 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?


Would a meteorite that landed on a paved road be considered a hammer
stone?  Paved roads are 100% man-made, yet I know of several falls
that have been recovered from roads or parking lots and are not
referred to as hammer.

Michael in so. Cal.


On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Craig Moody
<meteoritesnorth at hotmail.ca> wrote:
>
> Hello Anne, Michael and List.
>
> I would have to agree with Anne, in that if it struck the water, and 
sank to
the bottom, then it would not be considered a hammer, however, I assume 
that if
it hit the side of the pool and left physical evidence of that fact, 
then it
would be a hammer.  This also leads me to ask...does a meteorite have 
to damage
something for it to be a hammer?  What if they were pea sized 
individuals
(Holbrook) that hit, but left no damage.  Would they be considered 
hammer
stones?
>
> Regards,
> Craig Moody
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> > From: Impactika at aol.com
> > Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:01:57 -0500
> > To: mlblood at cox.net; joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com; 
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?
> >
> > I am sorry Michael,
> >
> > But how could Pena Blanca be called a hammer??????
> > It struck WATER!!
> >
> > Anne M. Black
> > _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
> > _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> > Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> > _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 11/22/2011 12:52:45 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> > mlblood at cox.net writes:
> > Hi Phil & All,
> >
> > Phil's "Subject" box describes Blanca Spring as a "Near-Hammer,"
> > But I had always heard it fell in a small pond people used as a 
swimming
> > Hole, NOT in a man-made pool resulting from a dam for the express
> > Purpose of creating such a swimming pool.
> >
> > I have swum in such a pool many times at the base of Mt. Lemon
> > on property bordering the Sugaro National Forest Park (Not certain 
of
> > the exact name of that park) in the Tucson area. My best friend 
lived
> > On the property and there was clearly a constructed dam to hold 
water
> > For swimming, but low enough to allow the water to continue to flow
> > Beyond that by spilling over the dam during the monsoon season.
> >
> > To my way of thinking a constructed swimming pool is a constructed
> > swimming pool regardless of the complexity of construction... A 
swimming
> > pool (that results from construction) is quite different than 
earlier
> > reports I had heard of merely a naturally occurring "swimming hole"
> > where a pond lay on someone's property. Therefore, Pena Blanc 
Spring IS
> > a hammer, having struck a man-made object (a man made swimming 
pool).
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > On 11/21/11 1:22 PM, "JoshuaTreeMuseum" 
<joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Here's an interesting account of what could have been a multiple 
death
> > > hammerstone incident:
> > >
> > http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Phil Whitmer
> >
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