[meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's

wahlperry at aol.com wahlperry at aol.com
Thu May 12 19:21:38 EDT 2011


Hi Larry,

Congratulations to you and Scott on the cool finds. The pictures of 
your cat are great.

Sonny


-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Atkins <thetoprok at aol.com>
To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; wahlperry 
<wahlperry at aol.com>; jl <jl at hc.fdn.com>; ontheroad 
<ontheroad at usairborne.com>
Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 4:03 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / 
Photo's


Hey Everyone,I just got home late last night from my extended trip out 
west. Iloaded some pictures of Scott and Terri's and my finds from the 
Nevadadry lake hunt that Scott reported 
on.http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/Nevada%20Dry%20
Lake%20Meteorite%20Hunt%20May%202011/It's worth a glance, some of the 
meteorites were very nice looking withgood crust and contraction 
cracks. There's a few pictures of my cat anddog too!I had a great time 
out there. Hunting with Scott and Terri is pleasure, thanks 
guys!Sincerely,Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941Ebay alienrockfarm -----Original 
Message-----From: John Lutzon <jl at hc.fdn.com>To: U.S. Airborne 
<ontheroad at usairborne.com>Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.comSent: 
Mon, May 9, 2011 8:53 pmSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, 
New Lake Bed findsTerri, Scott & Sundance  Thank you for the outline of 
your trek. Sounds like everyone had agreat trip, even the sledgehammer 
had a good time.  In a past life, i've had some aerobatic experiences 
in a compositeGerman Grob, supposedly rated @ 13g's. The most i ever 
saw was 6-7 and thensaw "grey". Don't go there!  With the very serious 
issue at hand, it was quite refreshing to hear ofyour new finds and the 
story behind them!! I envy your ability to take such trips and enjoy 
the fever of "just onemore hunt". (are the wife and vehicles for 
rent-and, most important, can Larrycook?) Sorry Larry.  I hope others 
chime in on your story and new finds. The best to Sundance.  John 
Lutzon   ----- Original Message ----- From: "U.S. 
Airborne"<ontheroad at usairborne.com> To: 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 1:00 
PM Subject: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds  > Hi 
All, Just a quick update from out in the field. My Wife Terri & Ihad > 
to do a biz trip to Ca to teach flying. So I made arrangements to 
adda > few weeks of meteorite hunting in on the trip. We started out 
with > blizzard conditions at lake bed #1. Two nights the temp dipped 
to 15then > 17 degrees. It was snowing, then raining, then hailing on 
us for afew > days, when out on the hunt. Lake bed 1 was a old strune 
field that we > worked over for 3 days. We recovered about 3 lbs that 
totaled over600 > meteorite frags. Weather was warming a bit so we 
moved to lake bed #2. It > was real difficult getting on this lake bed 
as the snow melt wasdraining > into it and it was nearly full of water. 
We still hunted the dry edgefor > a day but no luck. There was lots of 
evidence of native Americansliving > in the area . We hit the road for 
lake bed #3. We had madearrangements > for one of our meteorite hunting 
friends to come join us at lake bed#3. > once we arrived at the 
location #3 we found it difficult to find the > correct road onto the 
lake bed. During our hunt for the road out in > remote NV. I had a blow 
out on my Kawasaki teryx trailer. I had mylance > camper on the truck , 
so I could not see or feel that my trailerwheel had > blown, so by the 
time I stopped my tire & rim were destroyed. I hadthrown > in a spare 
off my aircraft trailer before leaving the airpark. When I > tried to 
change the tire I find that my spare rim is about 1/8th inch > larger. 
So we camp for the night on this remote road. The next day I > unhooked 
the trailer leaving Terri & Sundance to to watch things. Igave > Terri 
my 9 mm to protect herself in case any yahoos gave her trouble.My > 
drive to the nearest town was a wake up call. There were no 
tirestores > left in this town. The last one went out of biz 3 days 
before Iarrived > into town. I did find a guy to help me put the rubber 
off my rim thatdid > not fit onto the smashed up rim. I had a sledge 
hammer so I smashedthe > rim into better shape. Once I we got the tire 
on, it was stillleaking > air. I beat the edge of the rim with my 
sledge until it stoppedleaking > air. To make a long story short I had 
to drive about 150 miles onthis bad > rim & tire to the nearest big 
town where I got 8 ply rubber on alltires & > two new rims. By that 
afternoon we were back at Lakebed #3 for thehunt. > Larry arrived also, 
so the next day we hunted all day long with nofinds > and nearly got 
stuck in our 4x4 buggy on the wet lake bed. Then onday two > Larry & 
found the strings of gravel that we were hunting for the day > before. 
Within a minute or two Larry found 1 nice one then 5 minlater I > found 
a nice complete meteorite with flow lines about 20 ft fromLarry's > 
find. It was barely magnetic so we looked it over real good & 
figuredit > was likely a LL or possibly even more rare. It was past 
lunch so weheaded > back to base camp for lunch & tell Terri of our 
finds & bring herback > after lunch for the hunt. Once we got back from 
lunch & back hunting, > within about 10 min I was showing Terri the 
string of rocks that wewere > going to hunt real good. Just as I said 
she needs to find a nice bigone, > I look down & there was a nice 60 
gram specimen right in front of me.As I > was documenting my find. 
Terri located a real nice meteorite of herown, > it was a very nice 
looking meteorite with broken fusion crust & nice > olivine. Then just 
after Terri did here pics & GPS location about 100 > yards off Larry 
makes a real nice find. It was a real fresh lookingrock. > It was 
amazing as it totally looked new. So we were on a nice findingrun > as 
we hunted the long string of rocks that had been collecting inthis > 
area for ages. In the end on this new lake bed Terri recovered 1 nice > 
meteorite, Larry had 3 and I had 3. So 7 new finds at this 
newlocation > was quite nice. After looking at our finds, it looks like 
4 topossibly 5 > different meteorite falls. Once they get classified 
then we will knowfor > sure if our guesses are correct on types. Larry 
had to head the toeast & > we headed west towards Ca. I was like a 
Alcoholic needing a otherdrink . > Or like a gambler that wants that 
one last bet. As a meteoritehunting > junky I needed just 1 more hunt. 
Just give me one more & I will beO.K. to > leave the lovely deserts I 
love so much. I knew of other lake beds Icould > hunt on our way west 
but time was getting short. Terri was turninginto a > meteorite hunting 
junkie also after her big 7 lb find this last Febin AZ. > and then her 
300 finds at the first strune field, then her last finda few > days 
back really set the hook on her meteorite hunting life style. Sowith > 
both of us now hooked on space rock hunting, we decided we had 
betterstop > in & hunt one more lake bed for a day. I had been to this 
lake bedbefore > & found 6 small ones & 1 bigger one. But once we 
arrived we found the > lakebed had resurfaced and nothing was like it 
was before. Thelocation I > had found meteorite before was now bare of 
all rocks all together.Just in > 1 winter this area totally changed. I 
followed some ice rafted rocksand > some other debris like old rubber 
tires that all got blown across thelake > bed in super strong NE winds 
& likely frozen lake bed. So we followedthe > signs & hunted the 
western shore line where it all was blown into.Within > 15 min of 
hunting that shore I located a nice 30 gram meteorite thatfeels > like 
a H to me. Terri hunted her butt off but nothing else revileditself > 
to us all morning. By noon the lakebed was a blow down & we had 
toleave. > It was a total white out of dust & very difficult to drive 
or findour way > off this now dusty mess. I found my tire tracks & 
followed them offin the > white out. Terri was driving the Kawasaki 
side by side off & shesurely > ate lots of dust on her way off the lake 
bed. The blow down happenedvery > quickly & lasted for the afternoon. 
We are now in Ca. teaching flying& I > got to say I wish I was back 
hunting for flying rocks. On a greatnote, my > wife Terri is hooked big 
big time now on meteorite hunting. And I gotto > say she is quite the 
hunter gal. Also, Larry is quite the fun &knowing > meteorite hunter & 
great to hunt with. Now back to important issuesin > trying to figure 
out where to hunt on our way back home to WA State.Happy > hunting to 
all! > When I get time I will post a link for photos. > Scott , Terri & 
Sundance Johnson > U.S. AirBorne Sport Aviation LLC > Eagles Nest 
Airpark > Sport Pilot C.F.I WSC-L WSC-S > www.usairborne.com > 
info at usairborne.com > Office 509-780-0554 > Cell 509-780-8377 > > > 
-------------------------------------------------- > From: "Larry 
Atkins" <thetoprok at aol.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:28 AM > 
To: <jimwooddell at gmail.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> > 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Real or not real. > >> >> Greg, Jim, 
List, >> >> I found something while following up on a meteorite lead, a 
story ofa >> witnessed fall by a farmer who picked up a 25 lb. rock 
thatsupposedly >> fell >> right in front of him. Many years later the 
great grandson wanted toget >> the 'meteorite' but it was nowhere to be 
found. >> He enlisted me to search the property where the farm once 
stood andI >> found this enigma in about an hour. When the great 
grandson saw therock >> still setting on the ground where I found it he 
got really excitedabout, >> saying that he recognized it, I had found 
the 'meteorite'. >> >> I almost hate to dredge this story up but it is 
relevant to thethread. >> >> I found the rock in 2001. Within 3 weeks 
of its discovery and after >> passing through >> the hands of several 
esteemed meteorite experts It was sent to the >> U.S.Dept. of Energy 
for >> Al 26 counting. It was deemed by the >> U.S. D.O.E. not a 
meteorite due to a lack of Al 26. When I askedwhat it >> was they said 
they did not know, they were so certain it was a >> meteorite that they 
tested it for 100 times less Al 26 than >> they expected to find in 
a >> normal meteorite but still found none. I was told that it is a 
rock >> unlike any they had ever seen, perhaps from Disko Island (due 
to itsNi >> content) but not like anything they had seen from Disko 
Island.Since >> then, samples of it have been archived at three 
differentUniverities >> for 'future study' should anything arise (or 
fall) to justify it. My >> own amateur research indicates to me that it 
may possibly be somesort of >> impact >> debris, possibly related to 
the KT impact. Two main reasons for this >> potential conclusion are 
the fact that Argon dating puts it at the >> right age, 75 ma. + / - 10 
million, and the fact that there are some >> unusual crystals, tiny Cr 
spinels with a peculiar feature that areonly >> found in one other 
place on Earth, the KT boundary layer. Those >> crystals, (in the KT) 
are pseudomorphs after spinel and the dirt >> immediately adjacent to 
the xtals is enriched in Cr. suggesting a >> possible relation. These 
crystals in the KT layer are thought tohave >> condensed and >> 
precipitated from the plume that shrouded the planet. There 
isanother >> camp that thinks the xtals may be from the impactor. >> >> 
To address Jim Wooddells concerns, let me say that I was told 
flatout >> that the reason they couldn't or wouldn't take this to the 
final >> conclussion was simple, it could jeopardize future funding 
and >> professional reputation. It seems that if a scientist spends a 
bunchof >> money and wastes a lot of time on an object that turns out 
to be >> nothing, monies and reputation are at stake. I can understand 
this I >> guess, but it seems like a sure way to ensure that the really 
oddstuff >> will not be recognized unless it's an irrefutable witnessed 
fall. >> >> Of course it could all be a big coincidence, just a man 
made rockthat >> fooled the Argon dating process. Some have scoffed at 
it saying itis >> nothing unusual, but the majority of experts say that 
it is a very >> unusual rock. >> This is evident when looking at a sawn 
surface, you ca see that it'smade >> of minerals with texture, it looks 
nearly >> identicle to D'Orbigny. In fact, several experts thought it 
was >> an angrite at first look. When I saw D'Orbigny the first time 
inET's >> room I almost fell over. Tiny crystals in the vugs sparkling 
in the >> light like little diamonds, just like mine. On closer 
examination Isaw >> that the crystals were not the same. >> >> To this 
day I do not know it's true origin, any meteoriticists or >> impact 
experts out there with deep pockets and nothing to lose careto >> take 
a stab at it? >> >> I posted some pictures to photobucket. >> >> 
http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/2001%20Find/ >> >> 
Ths is an extremely condensed version of the story, it's truly oneof 
the >> most fascinating meteorwrong stories of all time. >> >> Happy 
Hunting! >> >> Sincerely, >> Larry Atkins >> >> IMCA # 1941 >> Ebay 
alienrockfarm >> >> >> Sincerely, >> Larry Atkins >> IMCA # 1941 >> 
Ebay alienrockfarm >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim 
Wooddell <jimwooddell at gmail.com> >> To: Meteorite List 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> >> Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:47 
am >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Real or not real. >> >> >> Hello 
Jeff, >> >> The problem with that analogy is that visual inspection is 
only avery >> small part of the testing of a rock. While your post 
appears to >> suggest the scientist could not tell, it does not 
indicate that any >> testing was completed on it. What testing was done 
on it??? >> I could be totally wrong but sure hope that with the 
bazillions oftax >> dollars spent on funding research, in this day and 
age, I would >> suggest that there better not be a rock out there the 
scientist can >> not identify. >> I really get the impression that 
maybe the scientists where being >> polite and not attempting to burst 
your bubble? >> Respectfully, what scientist in their right mind would 
turn down a >> valid cold find or a new fall specimen? Does this 
actually happen??? >> Any scientists out there??? >> >> Check out my 
number 4 of 4 finds on yesterday's hunt at Franconia : >> 
http://desrtsunburn.no-ip.org/DSCN0142.jpg (~5mb macro) >> >> >> Kind 
Regards, >> >> Jim Wooddell >> http://desertsunburn.no-ip.org >> 
--- >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Jeff 
Kuyken<info at meteorites.com.au> >> wrote: >>> I have a stone from years 
ago that appears oriented but weathered.It >> was >>> originally 
thought to be a planetary but that did not seem to panout >>> clearly. 
The problem was that the very qualified scientist couldnot >> say 
for >>> sure what it was and could also not rule out other options like 
an >> Earth >>> meteorite either. Further tests were just too expensive 
and thebudget >>> didn't allow for it. >>> >>> The thing is that the 
stone was even taken along to one of theAnnual >> Met >>> Society 
meetings and passed around to various people along with a >> couple 
of >>> well known planetary scientists from NASA looking at it. A 
couple >> suggested >>> it is likely some sort of basalt but not one 
person could come up >> with any >>> idea of where or how it formed. 
Basically they said to just waitand >> see if >>> any other similar 
NWA's showed up over the years. I'm stillwaiting! >> ;-) >>> >>> So 
yes... there are definitely stones out there that stump even the >> 
best. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: "GREG LINDH" <geeg48 at msn.com> >>> To: "meteorite-list" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 
2011 4:47 AM >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Real or not 
real. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To all, >>>> >>>> Are there any stones 
that have been found that are unable to be >>>> definitively identified 
as a meteorite? In other words, are there >> stones >>>> (metal or 
stony) that the meteorite experts of the world examine >> closely, >>>> 
and then just say, "We just don't know"? >>>> >>>> >>>> Greg L. >>>> 
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