[meteorite-list] Fw: Re: 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's
Count Deiro
countdeiro at earthlink.net
Thu May 12 02:29:10 EDT 2011
SORRY FOR MISSPELLING YOUR NAME, TERRI
GUIDO
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>From: Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
>Sent: May 11, 2011 11:15 PM
>To: Larry Atkins <thetoprok at aol.com>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, wahlperry at aol.com, jl at hc.fdn.com, ontheroad at usairborne.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's
>
>Congrats Scott, Terry and Larry,
>Those are some nice meteorites. Much better looking than the average Nevada chondrite. Thank you for the posts and pics. I'll bet you were thrilled by your first finds.
>
>Guido
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Larry Atkins <thetoprok at aol.com>
>>Sent: May 11, 2011 8:03 PM
>>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, wahlperry at aol.com, jl at hc.fdn.com, ontheroad at usairborne.com
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's
>>
>>Hey Everyone,
>>
>>I just got home late last night from my extended trip out west. I
>>loaded some pictures of Scott and Terri's and my finds from the Nevada
>>dry lake hunt that Scott reported on.
>>
>>http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/Nevada%20Dry%20Lake%20Meteorite%20Hunt%20May%202011/
>>
>>It's worth a glance, some of the meteorites were very nice looking with
>>good crust and contraction cracks. There's a few pictures of my cat and
>>dog too!
>>
>>I had a great time out there. Hunting with Scott and Terri is pleasure,
>>thanks guys!
>>
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Larry Atkins
>>
>>IMCA # 1941
>>Ebay alienrockfarm
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Lutzon <jl at hc.fdn.com>
>>To: U.S. Airborne <ontheroad at usairborne.com>
>>Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 8:53 pm
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds
>>
>>
>>Terri, Scott & Sundance
>>
>>Thank you for the outline of your trek. Sounds like everyone had a
>>great
>>trip, even the sledgehammer had a good time.
>>
>>In a past life, i've had some aerobatic experiences in a composite
>>German
>>Grob, supposedly rated @ 13g's. The most i ever saw was 6-7 and then
>>saw
>>"grey". Don't go there!
>>
>>With the very serious issue at hand, it was quite refreshing to hear of
>>your
>>new finds and the story behind them!!
>>I envy your ability to take such trips and enjoy the fever of "just one
>>more
>>hunt".
>>(are the wife and vehicles for rent-and, most important, can Larry
>>cook?)
>>Sorry Larry.
>>
>>I hope others chime in on your story and new finds.
>>The best to Sundance.
>>
>>John Lutzon
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "U.S. Airborne"
>><ontheroad at usairborne.com>
>>To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 1:00 PM
>>Subject: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds
>>
>>> Hi All, Just a quick update from out in the field. My Wife Terri & I
>>had
>>> to do a biz trip to Ca to teach flying. So I made arrangements to add
>>a
>>> few weeks of meteorite hunting in on the trip. We started out with
>>> blizzard conditions at lake bed #1. Two nights the temp dipped to 15
>>then
>>> 17 degrees. It was snowing, then raining, then hailing on us for a
>>few
>>> days, when out on the hunt. Lake bed 1 was a old strune field that we
>>> worked over for 3 days. We recovered about 3 lbs that totaled over
>>600
>>> meteorite frags. Weather was warming a bit so we moved to lake bed #
>>2. It
>>> was real difficult getting on this lake bed as the snow melt was
>>draining
>>> into it and it was nearly full of water. We still hunted the dry edge
>>for
>>> a day but no luck. There was lots of evidence of native Americans
>>living
>>> in the area . We hit the road for lake bed #3. We had made
>>arrangements
>>> for one of our meteorite hunting friends to come join us at lake bed
>>#3.
>>> once we arrived at the location #3 we found it difficult to find the
>>> correct road onto the lake bed. During our hunt for the road out in
>>> remote NV. I had a blow out on my Kawasaki teryx trailer. I had my
>>lance
>>> camper on the truck , so I could not see or feel that my trailer
>>wheel had
>>> blown, so by the time I stopped my tire & rim were destroyed. I had
>>thrown
>>> in a spare off my aircraft trailer before leaving the airpark. When I
>>> tried to change the tire I find that my spare rim is about 1/8th inch
>>> larger. So we camp for the night on this remote road. The next day I
>>> unhooked the trailer leaving Terri & Sundance to to watch things. I
>>gave
>>> Terri my 9 mm to protect herself in case any yahoos gave her trouble.
>>My
>>> drive to the nearest town was a wake up call. There were no tire
>>stores
>>> left in this town. The last one went out of biz 3 days before I
>>arrived
>>> into town. I did find a guy to help me put the rubber off my rim that
>>did
>>> not fit onto the smashed up rim. I had a sledge hammer so I smashed
>>the
>>> rim into better shape. Once I we got the tire on, it was still
>>leaking
>>> air. I beat the edge of the rim with my sledge until it stopped
>>leaking
>>> air. To make a long story short I had to drive about 150 miles on
>>this bad
>>> rim & tire to the nearest big town where I got 8 ply rubber on all
>>tires &
>>> two new rims. By that afternoon we were back at Lakebed #3 for the
>>hunt.
>>> Larry arrived also, so the next day we hunted all day long with no
>>finds
>>> and nearly got stuck in our 4x4 buggy on the wet lake bed. Then on
>>day two
>>> Larry & found the strings of gravel that we were hunting for the day
>>> before. Within a minute or two Larry found 1 nice one then 5 min
>>later I
>>> found a nice complete meteorite with flow lines about 20 ft from
>>Larry's
>>> find. It was barely magnetic so we looked it over real good & figured
>>it
>>> was likely a LL or possibly even more rare. It was past lunch so we
>>headed
>>> back to base camp for lunch & tell Terri of our finds & bring her
>>back
>>> after lunch for the hunt. Once we got back from lunch & back hunting,
>>> within about 10 min I was showing Terri the string of rocks that we
>>were
>>> going to hunt real good. Just as I said she needs to find a nice big
>>one,
>>> I look down & there was a nice 60 gram specimen right in front of me.
>>As I
>>> was documenting my find. Terri located a real nice meteorite of her
>>own,
>>> it was a very nice looking meteorite with broken fusion crust & nice
>>> olivine. Then just after Terri did here pics & GPS location about 100
>>> yards off Larry makes a real nice find. It was a real fresh looking
>>rock.
>>> It was amazing as it totally looked new. So we were on a nice finding
>>run
>>> as we hunted the long string of rocks that had been collecting in
>>this
>>> area for ages. In the end on this new lake bed Terri recovered 1 nice
>>> meteorite, Larry had 3 and I had 3. So 7 new finds at this new
>>location
>>> was quite nice. After looking at our finds, it looks like 4 to
>>possibly 5
>>> different meteorite falls. Once they get classified then we will know
>>for
>>> sure if our guesses are correct on types. Larry had to head the to
>>east &
>>> we headed west towards Ca. I was like a Alcoholic needing a other
>>drink .
>>> Or like a gambler that wants that one last bet. As a meteorite
>>hunting
>>> junky I needed just 1 more hunt. Just give me one more & I will be
>>O.K. to
>>> leave the lovely deserts I love so much. I knew of other lake beds I
>>could
>>> hunt on our way west but time was getting short. Terri was turning
>>into a
>>> meteorite hunting junkie also after her big 7 lb find this last Feb
>>in AZ.
>>> and then her 300 finds at the first strune field, then her last find
>>a few
>>> days back really set the hook on her meteorite hunting life style. So
>>with
>>> both of us now hooked on space rock hunting, we decided we had better
>>stop
>>> in & hunt one more lake bed for a day. I had been to this lake bed
>>before
>>> & found 6 small ones & 1 bigger one. But once we arrived we found the
>>> lakebed had resurfaced and nothing was like it was before. The
>>location I
>>> had found meteorite before was now bare of all rocks all together.
>>Just in
>>> 1 winter this area totally changed. I followed some ice rafted rocks
>>and
>>> some other debris like old rubber tires that all got blown across the
>>lake
>>> bed in super strong NE winds & likely frozen lake bed. So we followed
>>the
>>> signs & hunted the western shore line where it all was blown into.
>>Within
>>> 15 min of hunting that shore I located a nice 30 gram meteorite that
>>feels
>>> like a H to me. Terri hunted her butt off but nothing else reviled
>>itself
>>> to us all morning. By noon the lakebed was a blow down & we had to
>>leave.
>>> It was a total white out of dust & very difficult to drive or find
>>our way
>>> off this now dusty mess. I found my tire tracks & followed them off
>>in the
>>> white out. Terri was driving the Kawasaki side by side off & she
>>surely
>>> ate lots of dust on her way off the lake bed. The blow down happened
>>very
>>> quickly & lasted for the afternoon. We are now in Ca. teaching flying
>>& I
>>> got to say I wish I was back hunting for flying rocks. On a great
>>note, my
>>> wife Terri is hooked big big time now on meteorite hunting. And I got
>>to
>>> say she is quite the hunter gal. Also, Larry is quite the fun &
>>knowing
>>> meteorite hunter & great to hunt with. Now back to important issues
>>in
>>> trying to figure out where to hunt on our way back home to WA State.
>>Happy
>>> hunting to all!
>>> When I get time I will post a link for photos.
>>> Scott , Terri & Sundance Johnson
>>> U.S. AirBorne Sport Aviation LLC
>>> Eagles Nest Airpark
>>> Sport Pilot C.F.I WSC-L WSC-S
>>> www.usairborne.com
>>> info at usairborne.com
>>> Office 509-780-0554
>>> Cell 509-780-8377
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Larry Atkins" <thetoprok at aol.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:28 AM
>>> To: <jimwooddell at gmail.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Real or not real.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greg, Jim, List,
>>>>
>>>> I found something while following up on a meteorite lead, a story of
>>a
>>>> witnessed fall by a farmer who picked up a 25 lb. rock that
>>supposedly
>>>> fell
>>>> right in front of him. Many years later the great grandson wanted to
>>get
>>>> the 'meteorite' but it was nowhere to be found.
>>>> He enlisted me to search the property where the farm once stood and
>>I
>>>> found this enigma in about an hour. When the great grandson saw the
>>rock
>>>> still setting on the ground where I found it he got really excited
>>about,
>>>> saying that he recognized it, I had found the 'meteorite'.
>>>>
>>>> I almost hate to dredge this story up but it is relevant to the
>>thread.
>>>>
>>>> I found the rock in 2001. Within 3 weeks of its discovery and after
>>>> passing through
>>>> the hands of several esteemed meteorite experts It was sent to the
>>>> U.S.Dept. of Energy for
>>>> Al 26 counting. It was deemed by the
>>>> U.S. D.O.E. not a meteorite due to a lack of Al 26. When I asked
>>what it
>>>> was they said they did not know, they were so certain it was a
>>>> meteorite that they tested it for 100 times less Al 26 than
>>>> they expected to find in a
>>>> normal meteorite but still found none. I was told that it is a rock
>>>> unlike any they had ever seen, perhaps from Disko Island (due to its
>>Ni
>>>> content) but not like anything they had seen from Disko Island.
>>Since
>>>> then, samples of it have been archived at three different
>>Univerities
>>>> for 'future study' should anything arise (or fall) to justify it. My
>>>> own amateur research indicates to me that it may possibly be some
>>sort of
>>>> impact
>>>> debris, possibly related to the KT impact. Two main reasons for this
>>>> potential conclusion are the fact that Argon dating puts it at the
>>>> right age, 75 ma. + / - 10 million, and the fact that there are some
>>>> unusual crystals, tiny Cr spinels with a peculiar feature that are
>>only
>>>> found in one other place on Earth, the KT boundary layer. Those
>>>> crystals, (in the KT) are pseudomorphs after spinel and the dirt
>>>> immediately adjacent to the xtals is enriched in Cr. suggesting a
>>>> possible relation. These crystals in the KT layer are thought to
>>have
>>>> condensed and
>>>> precipitated from the plume that shrouded the planet. There is
>>another
>>>> camp that thinks the xtals may be from the impactor.
>>>>
>>>> To address Jim Wooddells concerns, let me say that I was told flat
>>out
>>>> that the reason they couldn't or wouldn't take this to the final
>>>> conclussion was simple, it could jeopardize future funding and
>>>> professional reputation. It seems that if a scientist spends a bunch
>>of
>>>> money and wastes a lot of time on an object that turns out to be
>>>> nothing, monies and reputation are at stake. I can understand this I
>>>> guess, but it seems like a sure way to ensure that the really odd
>>stuff
>>>> will not be recognized unless it's an irrefutable witnessed fall.
>>>>
>>>> Of course it could all be a big coincidence, just a man made rock
>>that
>>>> fooled the Argon dating process. Some have scoffed at it saying it
>>is
>>>> nothing unusual, but the majority of experts say that it is a very
>>>> unusual rock.
>>>> This is evident when looking at a sawn surface, you ca see that it's
>>made
>>>> of minerals with texture, it looks nearly
>>>> identicle to D'Orbigny. In fact, several experts thought it was
>>>> an angrite at first look. When I saw D'Orbigny the first time in
>>ET's
>>>> room I almost fell over. Tiny crystals in the vugs sparkling in the
>>>> light like little diamonds, just like mine. On closer examination I
>>saw
>>>> that the crystals were not the same.
>>>>
>>>> To this day I do not know it's true origin, any meteoriticists or
>>>> impact experts out there with deep pockets and nothing to lose care
>>to
>>>> take a stab at it?
>>>>
>>>> I posted some pictures to photobucket.
>>>>
>>>> http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/2001%20Find/
>>>>
>>>> Ths is an extremely condensed version of the story, it's truly one
>>of the
>>>> most fascinating meteorwrong stories of all time.
>>>>
>>>> Happy Hunting!
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Larry Atkins
>>>>
>>>> IMCA # 1941
>>>> Ebay alienrockfarm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Larry Atkins
>>>> IMCA # 1941
>>>> Ebay alienrockfarm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Jim Wooddell <jimwooddell at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:47 am
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Real or not real.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> The problem with that analogy is that visual inspection is only a
>>very
>>>> small part of the testing of a rock. While your post appears to
>>>> suggest the scientist could not tell, it does not indicate that any
>>>> testing was completed on it. What testing was done on it???
>>>> I could be totally wrong but sure hope that with the bazillions of
>>tax
>>>> dollars spent on funding research, in this day and age, I would
>>>> suggest that there better not be a rock out there the scientist can
>>>> not identify.
>>>> I really get the impression that maybe the scientists where being
>>>> polite and not attempting to burst your bubble?
>>>> Respectfully, what scientist in their right mind would turn down a
>>>> valid cold find or a new fall specimen? Does this actually happen???
>>>> Any scientists out there???
>>>>
>>>> Check out my number 4 of 4 finds on yesterday's hunt at Franconia :
>>>> http://desrtsunburn.no-ip.org/DSCN0142.jpg (~5mb macro)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Jim Wooddell
>>>> http://desertsunburn.no-ip.org
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Jeff Kuyken
>><info at meteorites.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I have a stone from years ago that appears oriented but weathered.
>>It
>>>> was
>>>>> originally thought to be a planetary but that did not seem to pan
>>out
>>>>> clearly. The problem was that the very qualified scientist could
>>not
>>>> say for
>>>>> sure what it was and could also not rule out other options like an
>>>> Earth
>>>>> meteorite either. Further tests were just too expensive and the
>>budget
>>>>> didn't allow for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The thing is that the stone was even taken along to one of the
>>Annual
>>>> Met
>>>>> Society meetings and passed around to various people along with a
>>>> couple of
>>>>> well known planetary scientists from NASA looking at it. A couple
>>>> suggested
>>>>> it is likely some sort of basalt but not one person could come up
>>>> with any
>>>>> idea of where or how it formed. Basically they said to just wait
>>and
>>>> see if
>>>>> any other similar NWA's showed up over the years. I'm still
>>waiting!
>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> So yes... there are definitely stones out there that stump even the
>>>> best.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "GREG LINDH" <geeg48 at msn.com>
>>>>> To: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:47 AM
>>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Real or not real.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are there any stones that have been found that are unable to be
>>>>>> definitively identified as a meteorite? In other words, are there
>>>> stones
>>>>>> (metal or stony) that the meteorite experts of the world examine
>>>> closely,
>>>>>> and then just say, "We just don't know"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg L.
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