[meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER

Thu Mar 17 15:52:40 EDT 2011

Ok guys, time to stop the off topic thread.

Thanks, Art

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:00 PM, GREG LINDH <geeg48 at msn.com> wrote:
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>  I'm not a scientist, but from what I've heard and read, huge "solar farms" in desert areas require a lot of water for cleaning, etc.  These "farms" are put where there is an abundance of sunny days.....the deserts.....where water is scarce.  I live in Precott Valley, AZ.  We're already short on water.  The last thing we need is for our water to go to "solar farms".
>  I'm all for green energy sources....I just don't think they are practical for producing the huge amounts of energy that a modern society requires.
>  We need nuclear, oil and coal, in addition to green.
>  Just my thoughts.
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>  Greg L.
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>> From: astroroks at hotmail.com
>> To: stanleygregr at hotmail.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:00:22 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER
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>> Wind turbines, (1mega watt each) would need millions of them and they only work when the wind is between 8 and 38 MPH.
>> The Audubon Society hates them for killing migratory and predatory birds...
>> Solar, is just that, no storage for the power and only works when the sun is shining. The State land use committees hate
>> them because they take a lot of land and are ugly....
>> Hydroelectric, Great when you have the available water and it is not interfering with protected fish. That these rivers
>> remain navigable and the spawning is not interrupted.
>> Hey, if they can make a small portable Nuke plant, like the ones on our Nuclear fleet, then they sure should be able
>> to make small nuke plants that would be safe and built in a controlled environment. The USS Ronald Reagan that
>> is just off shore Japan is powered by a 250 MW Westinghouse nuke plant... Needs refueling every 20 years.
>> Dennis O'Miller
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>> > From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com
>> > To: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:29:48 -0700
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER
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>> > I wonder how many people have died from solar, wind, and hydroelectric power?
>> >
>> > You forget the long term impact of radiation exposure.
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>> > Don't get me wrong, Nuclear power is good when safety precautions are in place, but we seem to wait for disasters and then respond to them.
>> >
>> > I have been an advocate for 'green' energy since the 1970's, but here in the US, it always gets killed and underfunded.
>> >
>> > Now let's get back to discussing meteorites.
>> >
>> >
>> > Greg S.
>> >
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>> > > From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net
>> > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:38:58 -0500
>> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER
>> > >
>> > > List,
>> > >
>> > > We are invariably abnormally impressed by the
>> > > sudden occurrence of a rare, high-risk event.
>> > > We do not appraise them in a strictly rational
>> > > manner when this happens.
>> > >
>> > > The current application of fear caused by a very
>> > > rare event, as we see in Japan, is weighted heavily.
>> > > For those interested in the actual data, the human
>> > > cost, in lives, of the various means of electric power
>> > > production are listed below.
>> > >
>> > > Deaths are for the period 1970 through 1992, the
>> > > only period for which data could be collected for all
>> > > the means of production.
>> > >
>> > > All deaths are "immediate" deaths, and the figures
>> > > are on a worldwide basis, which includes countries
>> > > with less stringent industrial safety requirements
>> > > than the U.S. This is the picture for the Planet.
>> > >
>> > > Hydroelectric production accounted for roughly 4000
>> > > deaths, of members of the public, or 883 deaths per
>> > > terawatt-year. The vast majority of those deaths were
>> > > from the failure of dams and impoundments.
>> > >
>> > > Coal power production produced about 6400 deaths,
>> > > all of workers, for a death rate of 342 deaths per
>> > > terawatt-year. (Deaths from the mining of coal are
>> > > included in proportion to the use of coal in direct
>> > > power production.)
>> > >
>> > > Natural Gas power production resulted in some
>> > > 1200 deaths, of both industry workers and the
>> > > general public, for 85 deaths per terawatt-year.
>> > >
>> > > Nuclear Power resulted in 31 deaths, all of workers,
>> > > for a total of 8 deaths per terawatt-year, or 1%
>> > > of the deaths from "safe" environmentally friendly
>> > > hydroelectric power.
>> > >
>> > > The "other fuel," petroleum, is rarely used for power
>> > > production but largely for transportation. How deadly,
>> > > in these terms, is our transportation power use in
>> > > cars and trucks as compared to the cost in life of
>> > > power production?
>> > >
>> > > The U.S. consumed 0.138 teragallons of gasoline
>> > > on 2009 (at 4.175 watt-years per gallon), with a
>> > > total energy content of a "mere" 0.576 terawatt-years.
>> > > Highway deaths in 2009 were 33,963, which yields
>> > > 58,943 deaths per terawatt-year of power consumed.
>> > >
>> > > Clearly, the use of this power source for transport
>> > > is many orders of magnitude more dangerous than
>> > > the production of electrical power, however it is
>> > > accomplished. Our reaction to this horrendous
>> > > risk is to complain about how much it costs us to
>> > > fill'er up.
>> > >
>> > > Humans are not rational animals.
>> > >
>> > > The reduction in overall life expectancy in the
>> > > U.S. due to nuclear power production is one-third
>> > > of the reduction in life expectancy caused by eating
>> > > 8 ounces. of charcoal-broiled steak per week.
>> > >
>> > > Make mine medium-rare, please.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Sterling K. Webb
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