[meteorite-list] Point of Diminishing returns (Slice thickness)?

Tue Mar 8 03:47:18 EST 2011

The answer is simple: if weight is important to you don't bid.
        Michael

On 3/7/11 6:19 PM, "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Michael made the Comment:
> 
> ***********************************************************************
> If you can buy high fat ground beef for $2/lb or excellent
> Ribeye  stakes  for $4/lb, which are YOU going to buy? I'll take
> The Ribeye  every stinking time.
> ************************************************************************
> 
> But if you are starving and have to feed multiple people in this poor economy,
> most would opt for the ground beef.  That is the problem, most are not willing
> or cannot afford to pay twice as much for a 1mm slice for example. This leaves
> the preparer with a tough decision.  They have to balance the needs of the
> collector with the issue of cutting/polishing loss when a buyer is not willing
> or able to pay twice as much. In this poor economy, most are looking at the
> price per gram. Michael, you illustrated this perfectly by comparing a
> commodity 
> like beef with meteorites. Same for the guy running the auction, if you want
> cheese he states "go to a deli."  I do not agree at all with the guy running
> the 
> auctions without weights listed.  This is pertinent information as with
> diamonds 
> where the weight is very important.  And... Diamonds are a commodity
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Adam
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: John L <jl at hc.fdn.com>
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 5:33:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Point of Diminishing returns (Slice thickness)?
> 
> 
> Michael and All,
> 
> A 2mm Ribeye, draped over a 100 watt light bulb for 43 seconds turns out
> perfect.
> Micheal's words "habitual ways of thinking" may just boil down to (in my
> opinion only) a natural transition from a new collector to a more seasoned
> collector. When someone decides to begin collecting meteorites, for whatever
> reason, and is trying to explain to family and friends about his/her new
> venture--it just wouldn't work to show them your newest .006gm micro (this
> is an extreme example) and expect them to look at it for more than 20
> seconds but when you hand them any iron and EVERY single time they exclaim
> "wow that's heavy for it's size"--now you have their interest and they want
> to see more and most important they're more prone to listening to you about
> your new hobby.
> 
> In my circles, i'm trying to get everyone i know to buy the biggest Campo
> they can afford and learn & educate yourself. Hopefuly, one of them will,
> one day, have the knowledge that you guys/gals have. Everyone starts
> somewhere.
> 
> Personally, i'm on the side of as aesthetics and given the choice of a 4mm
> vs a 2mm, i would probably take the 2mm-if it was a more revealing piece.
> My true love is TS's and i have about another 40+ to post to the Eom. To me
> it's like looking into the sole of the universe.
> 
> And that's my 3 oz's of Ribeye fat
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
> To: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>; "Meteorite List"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Point of Diminishing returns (Slice
> thickness)?
> 
> 
>> Good points, Adam,
>>        However, the collectors who are blind to any pricing
>> Elements but weight are NOT getting the best deals at all.
>>        I sell the same way I collect.... Good is good and to me
>> How a specimen looks if far more important than mass.
>>        Do I prefer a bigger specimen over a smaller specimen?
>> Of course, but I do not prefer a thicker slice over a thinner
>> Slice at all. If one is 4g and the other is 1.2g and the surface
>> Area is larger on the 1.2g and the price is the same, I will take
>> The 1.2 thinner slice with more surface area every stinking time.
>>        If you can buy high fat ground beef for $2/lb or excellent
>> Ribeye stakes  for $4/lb, which are YOU going to buy? I'll take
>> The Ribeye every stinking time.
>>        I believe collectors are STARTING to get the point that
>> It is NOT the weight that is most important, but the visual
>> Quality that matters. Every Tucson Show for the last several
>> Years I have seen some screaming specimens sold for 4, 10 or
>> 100 times the "normal" price per gram. I have bought some of
>> Them, myself.
>>        I am always amazed that though I am certain the average
>> Meteorite collector has a substantially higher IQ than the
>> Public norm, so many of them are attached to narrow ways of
>> Thinking. However, any smart individual will eventually overcome
>> Habitual ways of thinking when repeatedly exposed to the logical
>> advantages of other ways of looking at things.
>>        Michael
>> 
>> On 3/7/11 3:38 PM, "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Most collectors go by the price per gram first so dealers who cut
>>> ultra-thin
>>> will take a loss when weight is the main consideration.  I know that the
>>> weight-to-surface area ratio is a secondary consideration for most
>>> collectors
>>> due to experience.
>>> 
>>> There are other factors like a decent polish being applied, proper
>>> preparation
>>> and specimen status including provenance that can affect price.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Adam
>> 
>> 
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