[meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science

Thu Mar 3 11:48:55 EST 2011

Personally I liked the thread about the meteorite hunters on Mars a whole 
lot more! ;-)

Best Regards,
Greg

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-----Original Message----- 
From: Pete Pete
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:18 AM
To: cdtucson at cox.net ; meteoritelist meteoritelist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science

SNOPES says that this is a bs, invented story:

http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp
http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp

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> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:56:47 -0500
> From: cdtucson at cox.net
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] OT transpermia vs. God vs. Science
>
>
> I thought this was interesting enough to share here;
> Just food for thought.
>
> > The professor and student are for real!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You'll be surprised who the student is...they'll tell you at the end.
> >
> >
> > “Let me explain the problem science has with religion."
> >
> >
> > The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then 
> > asks one of his new students to stand.
> >
> > 'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'
> >
> > 'Yes sir,' the student says.
> >
> > 'So you believe in God?'
> >
> > 'Absolutely '
> >
> > 'Is God good?'
> >
> > 'Sure! God's good.'
> >
> > 'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'
> >
> > 'Yes'
> >
> > 'Are you good or evil?'
> >
> > 'The Bible says I'm evil.'
> >
> > The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a 
> > moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here 
> > and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'
> >
> > 'Yes sir, I would.'
> >
> > 'So you're good...!'
> >
> > 'I wouldn't say that.'
> >
> > 'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. 
> > Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'
> >
> > The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, 
> > does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he 
> > prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that 
> > one?'
> >
> > The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor 
> > says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the 
> > student time to relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'
> >
> > 'Er..yes,' the student says.
> >
> > 'Is Satan good?'
> >
> > The student doesn't hesitate on this one.. 'No.'
> >
> > 'Then where does Satan come from?'
> >
> > The student falters. 'From God'
> >
> > 'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in 
> > this world?'
> >
> > 'Yes, sir.'
> >
> > 'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'
> >
> > 'Yes'
> >
> > 'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created 
> > everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to 
> > the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'
> >
> > Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? 
> > Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this 
> > world?'
> >
> > The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'
> >
> > 'So who created them ?'
> >
> > The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his 
> > question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the 
> > lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is 
> > mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you 
> > believe in Jesus Christ, son?'
> >
> > The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'
> >
> > The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to 
> > identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'
> >
> > 'No sir. I've never seen Him.'
> >
> > 'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'
> >
> > 'No, sir, I have not.'
> >
> > 'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? 
> > Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for 
> > that matter?'
> >
> > 'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'
> >
> > 'Yet you still believe in him?'
> >
> > 'Yes'
> >
> > 'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, 
> > science says your God doesn't exist... What do you say to that, son?'
> >
> > 'Nothing,' the student replies.. 'I only have my faith.'
> >
> > 'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science 
> > has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'
> >
> > The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His 
> > own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat? '
> >
> > ' Yes.
> >
> > 'And is there such a thing as cold?'
> >
> > 'Yes, son, there's cold too.'
> >
> > 'No sir, there isn't.'
> >
> > The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room 
> > suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. 'You can 
> > have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited 
> > heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything 
> > called 'cold'. We can hit down to 458 degrees below zero, which is no 
> > heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as 
> > cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 
> > degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or 
> > transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or 
> > transmit energy.. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. 
> > You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of 
> > heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units 
> > because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the 
> > absence of it.'
> >
> > Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, 
> > sounding like a hammer.
> >
> > 'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'
> >
> > 'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if it 
> > isn't darkness?'
> >
> > 'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence 
> > of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, 
> > flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and 
> > it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the 
> > word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make 
> > darkness darker, wouldn't you?'
> >
> > The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will 
> > be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'
> >
> > 'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to 
> > start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'
> >
> > The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can 
> > you explain how?'
> >
> > 'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains.. 'You 
> > argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad 
> > God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something 
> > we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.' 'It uses 
> > electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully 
> > understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be 
> > ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. 
> > Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.' 'Now tell 
> > me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a 
> > monkey?'
> >
> > 'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, 
> > yes, of course I do.'
> >
> > 'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'
> >
> > The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes 
> > where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.
> >
> > 'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and 
> > cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not 
> > teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a 
> > preacher?'
> >
> > The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion 
> > has subsided. 'To continue the point you were making earlier to the 
> > other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.' The student 
> > looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen 
> > the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter. 'Is there 
> > anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the 
> > professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one 
> > appears to have done so.. So, according to the established rules of 
> > empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no 
> > brain, with all due respect, sir.' 'So if science says you have no 
> > brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'
> >
> > Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his 
> > face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man 
> > answers. 'I Guess you'll have to take them on faith.'
> >
> > 'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with 
> > life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?' 
> > Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it 
> > Everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is 
> > in The multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world.. These 
> > manifestations are nothing else but evil.'
> >
> > To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it 
> > does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God.. It is 
> > just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the 
> > absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what 
> > happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's 
> > like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that 
> > comes when there is no light.'
> >
> > The professor sat down.
> >
> > If you read it all the way through and had a smile on your face when you 
> > finished, mail to your friends and family with the title 'God vs. 
> > Science'
> >
> > PS: The student was Albert Einstein.
> >
> > Albert Einstein wrote the book titled'God vs. Science' in 1921.....
> >
> >
> Carl
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