[meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

mafer at imagineopals.com mafer at imagineopals.com
Sun Jun 12 23:56:17 EDT 2011 

You and that guy from Alberta Canada should collaborate on a video for
moraine searching



Mark Ferguson

On 4:25:27 am 06/13/11 Dave Myers <whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear List, and Norm,
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> WOW!
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> In this thread the only 2 things that has been said that is
> counter-productive for anyone just getting started in the search for
> meteorites is,
> Norm's   disrespectful comments! (for 1)  "This
> is one of those stories with "to good to be true" overtones."         

>     Norm I
> have been on the list for 3.5-4 years, I was brought up and raised to
> be respectful to other people in this small farming town.........You
> do not know anything about me.......so why would you make a comment
> like that!
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> The second comment by you is compairing the glacier area of ( NE WA.)
> to that of OHIO-INDIANA)    WHAT???????  That is like compairing the
> moon to mars !
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> Norm, for the past 35 years out of my 51, I have been a amateur
> Archaeologist, I have found over 450 artifacts in 4 counties in south
> west Ohio, I can Identify each and everyone, I have recorded all my
> finds. I have discovered 20 village sites!
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> And for the past 35 years, I have been an amateur geologist, I can
> Identify the common rock typs that are Igneous, sedimentary and
> metamorphic.
> My favorite rocks to collect are the "one of a kind," metamorphic
> rocks, and the basalts with  subporphyritic texture.(like what is
> found in some achondrites)
> So if i may, let me tell you all about the morianes in Ohio and
> Indiana.
> On top of of the rocks(morians) is 8-10 inch's. of a sandy soil.
> (thats is where after 6 years of searching I found my 1st meteorite
> 4-9-2011)
> There are not that many glacier rocks, But a few, But also since 4-9.
> I found 2 fluted clovis points, in the same mix(there 10-14,000 years
> old). and 40ty other artifacts in this 8-10' of soil.
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> Now when I walk the hill side it gets very rocky, the soil now is
> only 4-6"deep on the moriane, But guess what!!!!!!!! in  this rocky
> area is where I found my second banged-up chondrite! (which is
> different from the 1st!) and my third un-fluted paleo point, about 12
> feet away!
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> Now let me tell you a secret I have discovered after walking these
> rolling hills (morianes) for 35 years. Less  then 10% of the rocks
> even in the rocky areas are brown or black!  What color are  fresh
> chondrites.........Black, what color are weathered chondrites,
> "BROWN"
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> So to  all new meteorites hunters, If you can spot the brown marbles
> in a bag of mixed multi-colored marbles, you can find meteorites even
> in the rocky hill side of a moriane............in ohio,indiana, and
> Illinoise that is.
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> Now back to what I found, yes I am only guessing about there age,
> most of my UNWA stones are slices, end cuts of have very black fusion
> crust on them. What I found looks more weathered, So yes I still may
> be very wrong to there age.
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> Also the glacier ice was 2-5 miles high, the bull-dozer moriane piles
> are at the bottom of the ice, How long did it take the ice to build
> befor its advance south, 100,150,000,YEARS? how many meteorites were
> traped in the ice during that time frame.  ?  So Norm, I was not
> talking about the meteorites on the ground before the glacier came, 
> But common sense tells me that any meteorites IN THE ICE, when the
> ice melts, WILL BE ON TOP OF THE MORIANE.
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> NOW FOR THE "ID" COMMENTS!
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> 20 DEALERS ON HERE SALE, unwa-chondrites, I have got them and other
> meteorites from 4 of you. (they are 100%) gurenteed to be meteorites?
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> So for what I know about rocks, in my area, and the pictures of what
> you all sold me,  know that they are real meteorites!
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> Now, after 6 years of searching for meteorites, only after 4-9-2011
> Have I found 2 stones that, look like chondrites. There is now doubt
> that are both chondrites. There are "NO OTHER ROCKS ON EARTH, THAT
> LOOK LIKE a L or H chondrite!  so they do not have to be ID, but yes
> they do need to get classifide.
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> Wow, I cannot waite to here the comments after I post photos of my 3
> possiable achondrites I found on the same glacier morian. LOL
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> Here are photos of the glacier moraine I am hunting, The 1st 4 photos
> are the more rocky hill side, the other photos are the top of the
> morine that have little rocks showing where I found the 1st meteorite
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> http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.233863486630644.81086.1000002
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Norm Lehrman <nlehrman at nvbell.net>
> To: Dave Myers <whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <meteorite-list at meteoritecen
> tral.com>
> Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 9:08:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
>
> All,
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> I fear this thread may be counter-productive for any that are just
> getting started in the search for meteorites.  The glacier angle is,
> in this case, thin ice.  First, Antarctica is a very special case: 
> in general glacial moraines are
> an absolutely horrible place to look.  I'm with Mike.  If you've got
> genuine meteorites, they probably have nothing at all to do with the
> moraine deposits.  Second, I'm also with Anne: the starting place
> here is to confirm the ID.  This is one of those stories with "to
> good to be true" overtones.
> But back to moraines. As a lifelong exploration geologist, I spent
> many years living on the terminal moraines and outwash gravels of the
> Cordilleran ice sheet
> (in NE WA).  Moraines are vast accumulations of rock, precisely what
> a meteorite
> hunter doesn't want.  Nininger's pioneering success in the recovery
> of meteorites was a direct result of going places where there
> shouldn't be any rocks. The sand seas of the Sahara, same thing.  The
> dry lakebeds of the Great Basin continue that tradition.  And so does
> Antarctica. 
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> The latter, of course, is where the confusion arises.  Glaciers are
> part of the story for the Antarctic meteorites, but only part. 
> Starting at the simple end, Antarctica is a vast expanse of white and
> blue where the nearest bedrock is often 3000 m straight down.  Rocks
> are easy to spot, and most that are there fell from the sky.  On a
> snowmobile you can cover a lot of ground fast and not miss much.  The
> driest air on earth (much dryer than that of hot deserts) adds to the
> story by lengthening meteorite shelf-life.  Then there are the
> glaciers. Mainly, the ice flows to the coast and the meteorites sail
> away in their ice rafts until they are dumped unceremoniously into
> the depths of the ocean.  However, where the flowing ice encounters
> mountains, like the Transantarctic range, it stalls, to be slowly
> eaten away by katabatic winds descending from the
> high country.  More ice flows in to replace that lost, and with time,
> all of the
> entrained rocks accumulate in a relatively compact stranding zone.
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> The terminal moraines of the North American ice sheets were quite
> different.  They flowed into warmer climes, melted, thinned and
> dumped their contents like dirty plowed snowpiles in the spring. 
> They advanced and retreated.  Meltwaters reworked the lot.  The ice
> was both a bulldozer and upside-down conveyor belt.  Certainly,
> meteorites fell onto the surface of the ice, as they do on all the
> world, but in this case the glaciers provided vast dilution, not
> concentration.
> Of course you could find a meteorite in glacial deposits, but the
> dilution effects make the search much more difficult.
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> So advice to would-be searchers: by all means do search wherever you
> can, but if
> you want to increase your odds of success, don't head for the
> moraines of the great continental ice sheets.  Further, you don't
> need to run out and buy a metal detector, expensive or otherwise.
> Life is too short to do that anywhere but a strewn field. You need to
> cover ground to up the odds.  Go where there are
> no rocks and use your eyes, by far the best tool available for
> routine cold searches
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> Cheers,
> Norm (still on the far side of the globe)
> www.tektitesource.com
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Dave Myers <whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com>
> To: meteoriteguy.com <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
> Cc: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <meteorite-list at meteoritecen
> tral.com>;
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> tracy latimer <daistiho at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 5:07:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
>
> Hi Mike you may be right.
>
> But the two chondrites are so different, I do not think there from
> the same fall. But they both could be from different falls??
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> And when you look at the glacier map I posted with all the iron finds
> in south west ohio, non of them are paired?
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> just my thoughts.
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> Thanks again
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> Dave Myers
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: meteoriteguy.com <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
> To: Dave Myers <whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: tracy latimer <daistiho at hotmail.com>; "meteorite-list at meteoritecen
> tral.com"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:29:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
>
> Guys,
> It is very unlikely that these
> Chondrites are related to the glaciation. Just appears to be a
> strewnfield like any other.
>
> Michael Farmer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 9, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Dave Myers <whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >  Hi Tracy
> >
> >  All the green areas on the map are "high glaicer morians" It does
> not show the
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> >  smaller ones in Butler county and other countys.
> >
> >  There is a farm on the Butler-Hamilton county line most of it in
> >  Hamilton county, Has a perfect out line "u" shaped of a morian on
> >  that farm.
> >  I want to hunt that really bad.
> >
> >  Will ask next them next year.
> >
> >
> >  Dave Myers
> >
> >
> >
> >  ----- Original Message ----
> >  From: tracy latimer <daistiho at hotmail.com>
> >  To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >  Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:16:32 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial
> >  deposits
> >
> >  That was my thought as well.  There seem to be parallels here
> >  between the Muonionlusta field, which has been relocated by
> > glacier, and the stones you are
> >
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> >  finding.  Are they in terminal moraines, or individuals in
> fields?  There is a
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> >  reason why Moraine, OH was named that!
> >
> >  Best!
> >  Tracy Latimer
> >  ----------------------------------------
> >>  From: mikestang at gmail.com
> >>  Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:31:26 -0700
> >>  To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial
> >>  deposits
> >>  Maybe it would be appropriate to bring out some larger coils,
> >>  like are commonly used in the Muonionalusta field, to look for
> >>  deeper stones?
> >>  -Michael in so. Cal.
> >>
> >>  On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM, E.P. Grondine wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Hi everyone -
> >>>
> >>>  Well, the meteorites won't be pristine, with some 13,000 years
> > of weathering,
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> >>  but then -
> >>>
> >>>  Who'd have thought that the mid center of the US would have had
> >>  its own meteorite transport system, one paralleling that in
> >>>  Antarctica in some ways?
> >>>  Dave, thanks for sharing.
> >>>
> >>>  E.P.
> >>>
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